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  • D Dalek Dave

    There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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    hairy_hats
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    Dalek Dave wrote:

    there are a lot more than three dimensions

    Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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      You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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      wout de zeeuw
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      Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

      Wout

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      • D Dalek Dave

        My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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        • H hairy_hats

          Dalek Dave wrote:

          there are a lot more than three dimensions

          Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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          Dalek Dave
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          Time? Or is that just a theory?

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          • D Dalek Dave

            Time? Or is that just a theory?

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            hairy_hats
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            That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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            • H hairy_hats

              That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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              Dalek Dave
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              String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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              • D Dalek Dave

                String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                hairy_hats
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                I know of String Theory, and how it has failed to produce a single concrete prediction. Give any mathematical model enough degrees of freedom and you can make it look like anything. I'm not convinced it is the answer.

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                  soap brain
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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                  You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                    You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                    V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                      soap brain
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                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Are you sure?

                      Yes.

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Want to try again?

                      OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Are you sure?

                        Yes.

                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Want to try again?

                        OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                          Keith Barrow
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                          He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                            Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                            Wout

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                            Keith Barrow
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                            A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

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                            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                              Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                              Wout

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              So you need a point with the circular aspect excluded. i.e. :beer:

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                              • D Dalek Dave

                                You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

                                ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting.

                                You mean its hyper-surface area.

                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside.

                                I don't even know what that means. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tesseract+volume[^]

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                  Lost User
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                                  As a dimension, yes, it is a theory.

                                  Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

                                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                    Your talking bollocks again Dave.

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                                    • K Keith Barrow

                                      A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

                                      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                      -Or-
                                      A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                      wout de zeeuw
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                                      Maybe, I still have to look into how to draw a pixel sized triangle that remains pixel sized regardless of how much the user zooms in/out. In OpenGL/DirectX 9 this used to be quite easy, but now you have to get into vertex shaders, texture mapping and such just to draw a dot. So instead of just doing a few lines of code and be done with it, now you have to research for a day how to draw a dot.

                                      Wout

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                                      • K Keith Barrow

                                        He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                                        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                        -Or-
                                        A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Khaaaaaaaan!

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