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  • W wout de zeeuw

    Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

    Wout

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    hairy_hats
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    You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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      You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

      Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
      VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
      vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
      VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
      vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
      device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

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      NormDroid
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      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

      vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush

      Just love that comment...

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      • H hairy_hats

        You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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        NormDroid
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        Or even WebGL so it works in a browser :rolleyes:

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        • D Dalek Dave

          There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          there are a lot more than three dimensions

          Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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          • H hairy_hats

            You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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            wout de zeeuw
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            Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

            Wout

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            • D Dalek Dave

              My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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              Pete OHanlon
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              Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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              • H hairy_hats

                Dalek Dave wrote:

                there are a lot more than three dimensions

                Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                Dalek Dave
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                Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                  hairy_hats
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                  That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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                  • H hairy_hats

                    That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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                    Dalek Dave
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                    String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                      String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                      I know of String Theory, and how it has failed to produce a single concrete prediction. Give any mathematical model enough degrees of freedom and you can make it look like anything. I'm not convinced it is the answer.

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                        soap brain
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                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                        You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                        • S soap brain

                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                          You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                          Dalek Dave
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                          V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                            V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                            soap brain
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                            Dalek Dave wrote:

                            Are you sure?

                            Yes.

                            Dalek Dave wrote:

                            Want to try again?

                            OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              Are you sure?

                              Yes.

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              Want to try again?

                              OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                              Dalek Dave
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                              You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                                Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                                He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

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                                • W wout de zeeuw

                                  Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                                  Wout

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                                  Keith Barrow
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                                  A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

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                                  • W wout de zeeuw

                                    Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                                    Wout

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                                    Mark_Wallace
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                                    So you need a point with the circular aspect excluded. i.e. :beer:

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                                      soap brain
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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting.

                                      You mean its hyper-surface area.

                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside.

                                      I don't even know what that means. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tesseract+volume[^]

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                        Lost User
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                                        As a dimension, yes, it is a theory.

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

                                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                          Your talking bollocks again Dave.

                                          Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost

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