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  • D Dalek Dave

    My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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    Pete OHanlon
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    Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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    • H hairy_hats

      You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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      wout de zeeuw
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      Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

      Wout

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      • H hairy_hats

        Dalek Dave wrote:

        there are a lot more than three dimensions

        Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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        Dalek Dave
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        Time? Or is that just a theory?

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          Time? Or is that just a theory?

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          hairy_hats
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          That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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          • H hairy_hats

            That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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            Dalek Dave
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            String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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            • D Dalek Dave

              String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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              hairy_hats
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              I know of String Theory, and how it has failed to produce a single concrete prediction. Give any mathematical model enough degrees of freedom and you can make it look like anything. I'm not convinced it is the answer.

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              • D Dalek Dave

                There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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                soap brain
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                Dalek Dave wrote:

                Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                • S soap brain

                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                  You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                    soap brain
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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Are you sure?

                    Yes.

                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Want to try again?

                    OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Are you sure?

                      Yes.

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Want to try again?

                      OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                        Keith Barrow
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                        He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                        • W wout de zeeuw

                          Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                          Wout

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                          Keith Barrow
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                          A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

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                            Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                            Wout

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            So you need a point with the circular aspect excluded. i.e. :beer:

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                            • D Dalek Dave

                              You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                              soap brain
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                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting.

                              You mean its hyper-surface area.

                              Dalek Dave wrote:

                              The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside.

                              I don't even know what that means. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tesseract+volume[^]

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                              • D Dalek Dave

                                Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                Lost User
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                                As a dimension, yes, it is a theory.

                                Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Your talking bollocks again Dave.

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                                  • K Keith Barrow

                                    A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

                                    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                    -Or-
                                    A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                    wout de zeeuw
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                                    Maybe, I still have to look into how to draw a pixel sized triangle that remains pixel sized regardless of how much the user zooms in/out. In OpenGL/DirectX 9 this used to be quite easy, but now you have to get into vertex shaders, texture mapping and such just to draw a dot. So instead of just doing a few lines of code and be done with it, now you have to research for a day how to draw a dot.

                                    Wout

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                                    • K Keith Barrow

                                      He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                                      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                      A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Khaaaaaaaan!

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