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  • H hairy_hats

    You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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    NormDroid
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    Or even WebGL so it works in a browser :rolleyes:

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    • D Dalek Dave

      There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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      Dalek Dave wrote:

      there are a lot more than three dimensions

      Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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      • H hairy_hats

        You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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        wout de zeeuw
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        Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

        Wout

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        • D Dalek Dave

          My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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          Pete OHanlon
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          Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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          • H hairy_hats

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            there are a lot more than three dimensions

            Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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            Dalek Dave
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            Time? Or is that just a theory?

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            • D Dalek Dave

              Time? Or is that just a theory?

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              hairy_hats
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              That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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              • H hairy_hats

                That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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                Dalek Dave
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                String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                  hairy_hats
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                  I know of String Theory, and how it has failed to produce a single concrete prediction. Give any mathematical model enough degrees of freedom and you can make it look like anything. I'm not convinced it is the answer.

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                    soap brain
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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                    You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                    • S soap brain

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                      You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                        soap brain
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                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Are you sure?

                        Yes.

                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Want to try again?

                        OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                        • S soap brain

                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          Are you sure?

                          Yes.

                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                          Want to try again?

                          OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                          Dalek Dave
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                          You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                            Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                            Keith Barrow
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                            He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

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                              Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                              Wout

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                              Keith Barrow
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                              A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

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                              • W wout de zeeuw

                                Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                                Wout

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                                So you need a point with the circular aspect excluded. i.e. :beer:

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

                                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                                  To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting.

                                  You mean its hyper-surface area.

                                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                                  The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside.

                                  I don't even know what that means. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tesseract+volume[^]

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                    Lost User
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                                    As a dimension, yes, it is a theory.

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

                                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Your talking bollocks again Dave.

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                                      • K Keith Barrow

                                        A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

                                        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                        A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                        wout de zeeuw
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                                        Maybe, I still have to look into how to draw a pixel sized triangle that remains pixel sized regardless of how much the user zooms in/out. In OpenGL/DirectX 9 this used to be quite easy, but now you have to get into vertex shaders, texture mapping and such just to draw a dot. So instead of just doing a few lines of code and be done with it, now you have to research for a day how to draw a dot.

                                        Wout

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                                        • K Keith Barrow

                                          He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                                          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                          Lost User
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                                          Khaaaaaaaan!

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