What's worse: lazy or slow? [modified]
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Christian Graus wrote:
Of course you need to give people a heads up and try to encourage them, you don't just fire someone. In this country, you can't legally do that anyhow.
Oh yes you can, just look at waht happened to me on 24-03-2011, the fired employee has the option to fight it as an unfair dismissal. If, that is, he knows about this option and thinks he has a chance or can afford to take it to court.
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Michael Martin wrote:
Oh yes you can, just look at waht happened to me on 24-03-2011, the fired employee has the option to fight it as an unfair dismissal. If, that is, he knows about this option and thinks he has a chance or can afford to take it to court.
There's a difference between legal and affordable...
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ROTFL - and some guy at work came by one day to tease me about my CP post count. I said 'I work as a developer, and you're trying to tease me for being a nerd ?'. I did do some CP posting at work, but I was also doing fun projects at night, so I did a lot of CPing then, too.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're trying to tease me for being a nerd
I love this, even my kids try and have a go sometimes, I think it really pisses them off that I'm rather comfortable with the fact that I'm a nerd.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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What do you guys think it's worse? Someone that spends half of the day surfing the web because he can work faster than the others, or the others that can't work fast enough? [Edit] The main reason I'm asking is because the lazy guy might look bad because he's seen by others surfing all the time, but yet, produces the same amount of products. While the slow guy could actually look like a much more dedicated employee and look better in the company.
modified on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM
Fabio, you are just going to have to figure out how to appear to be working. It's all about appearances.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're trying to tease me for being a nerd
I love this, even my kids try and have a go sometimes, I think it really pisses them off that I'm rather comfortable with the fact that I'm a nerd.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I just say to people "Be nice to nerds... chances are you will end up working for one some day!!"
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I surf a lot to get answers to my programming problems (hello CodeProject!) - so where does that place me? :D
Slow AND lazy.
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This should be a weekly survey question...
Yup, I agree with you:rose:
You can flame me whichever way you want and I wouldn't care a bit. But if you group me with some idiots, I'll turn into your worst nightmare.
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What do you guys think it's worse? Someone that spends half of the day surfing the web because he can work faster than the others, or the others that can't work fast enough? [Edit] The main reason I'm asking is because the lazy guy might look bad because he's seen by others surfing all the time, but yet, produces the same amount of products. While the slow guy could actually look like a much more dedicated employee and look better in the company.
modified on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM
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I just say to people "Be nice to nerds... chances are you will end up working for one some day!!"
Silence is golden... but duct tape is silver!! Booger Mobile - My bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - check out the blog here!! | If you feel generous - make a donation to Camp Quality!!
I finally got around to watching "Revenge of the Nerds" again this weekend. It occurs to me that it's the "jocks" who are socially inept.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Fortunately I managed to bring it up in a lighthearted discussion, mentioning that the only reason he didn't get to see me working feverishly so often was because he was so rarely in the office outside of normal hours!
:laugh: :laugh:
_Maxxx_ wrote:
lead balloon
A Led Zeppelin? ;-)
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Led Zeppelin?
Well, there wasn't a "Whole lotta love" :)
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Christian Graus wrote:
Of course you need to give people a heads up and try to encourage them, you don't just fire someone. In this country, you can't legally do that anyhow.
Oh yes you can, just look at waht happened to me on 24-03-2011, the fired employee has the option to fight it as an unfair dismissal. If, that is, he knows about this option and thinks he has a chance or can afford to take it to court.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
OK, fair enough. It is, in theory, illegal.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Fire the slow one then tell the fast but lazy guy you fired the slow guy for surfing the net too much. Fast guy will then produce as much work as both of them and you only have to pay one salary.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :~
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Productivity is, as always, the key issue.
I agree, but I've seen corner talks about how much someone "is so much on the web", yet always delivers.
Fabio Franco wrote:
I agree, but I've seen corner talks about how much someone "is so much on the web", yet always delivers.
Someone should make clear to those involved in such talks that the "yet always delivers" element of that is what's paying for their house, their car, and the food in their children's bellies. I'd recommend slapping them repeatedly about the head until they see sense and stop acting like such Victorian bitches. If someone is talented enough to deliver what is required in half the time it would take someone else, they should be grateful -- particularly because if there's a panic on, the slow guys won't go any faster, but the talented guys will perform miracles. It's the guys who have excess capacity that you can depend on in a crunch. Keep 'em happy. Give 'em a faster Internet connection.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Fortunately I managed to bring it up in a lighthearted discussion, mentioning that the only reason he didn't get to see me working feverishly so often was because he was so rarely in the office outside of normal hours!
:laugh: :laugh:
_Maxxx_ wrote:
lead balloon
A Led Zeppelin? ;-)
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_Damian S_ wrote:
_Maxxx_ wrote:
lead balloon
A Led Zeppelin? ;-)
That was the idea behind the name, so I'm afraid the boys in the band thought of it first.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Fire the slow one then tell the fast but lazy guy you fired the slow guy for surfing the net too much. Fast guy will then produce as much work as both of them and you only have to pay one salary.
You've been reading "How to Lose Friends and Influence People to Hate You" again, haven't you?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You've been reading "How to Lose Friends and Influence People to Hate You" again, haven't you?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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What do you guys think it's worse? Someone that spends half of the day surfing the web because he can work faster than the others, or the others that can't work fast enough? [Edit] The main reason I'm asking is because the lazy guy might look bad because he's seen by others surfing all the time, but yet, produces the same amount of products. While the slow guy could actually look like a much more dedicated employee and look better in the company.
modified on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM
I would say that it depends on why the slow guy is slow. Is it because he is slow or because he puts a great deal of effort into his work. Is the lazy guy fast or just fast because he 'scribbles' everything off. The thing I'm also concerned about is why the guy that works fast doesn't go to his employer/manager and tell them that he has completed the work thereby getting more work done in a day. Insead surfing the net on the companies money. Thats called dishonesty not only lazy. So you got a slow honest person vs a lazy dishonest one.
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What do you guys think it's worse? Someone that spends half of the day surfing the web because he can work faster than the others, or the others that can't work fast enough? [Edit] The main reason I'm asking is because the lazy guy might look bad because he's seen by others surfing all the time, but yet, produces the same amount of products. While the slow guy could actually look like a much more dedicated employee and look better in the company.
modified on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM
I think you are missing one very important aspect of the question. We have a guy here who is super fast. Faster than me. But, my code is usually error-free, and his has bugs more often than not. So, you can't judge a developer just on speed alone. The time spent fixing those bugs more than makes up for the extra-fast completion of the initial work. In fact, some of his errors have been so amazingly egregious. He really should have been fired long ago...but this is county government work. They make it so hard to get rid of anyone. Once you are past 3 months, you basically have to break the law in order to be let go. It sucks. I've had to clean up more than my share of his messes. :mad: So, don't judge developers on speed alone.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
You've been reading "How to Lose Friends and Influence People to Hate You" again, haven't you?
But my team will have the highest TPS report count. Promotion to senior management awaits!
_Josh_ wrote:
Promotion to senior management awaits!
And no friends to spend the extra money with
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What do you guys think it's worse? Someone that spends half of the day surfing the web because he can work faster than the others, or the others that can't work fast enough? [Edit] The main reason I'm asking is because the lazy guy might look bad because he's seen by others surfing all the time, but yet, produces the same amount of products. While the slow guy could actually look like a much more dedicated employee and look better in the company.
modified on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:43 PM
The "Lazy" is a symptom of poor management. If someone can work quickly enough to complete their assigned tasks while others plod, that person should be promoted and assigned more demanding roles until the job is a sufficient challenge (within reason). A certain amount of web surfing / whatever should also be tolerated - perhaps 1 hour / day max, since no-one actually works 8+ hours straight at full productivity without a break. I am a somewhat obsessive worker, and can get "stuck in" for periods of up to 4 hours straight, but that is not every day, and not consistent. I do produce more and better code than my colleagues, and still spend some time surfing the web and lurking on CP ;).
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I would say that it depends on why the slow guy is slow. Is it because he is slow or because he puts a great deal of effort into his work. Is the lazy guy fast or just fast because he 'scribbles' everything off. The thing I'm also concerned about is why the guy that works fast doesn't go to his employer/manager and tell them that he has completed the work thereby getting more work done in a day. Insead surfing the net on the companies money. Thats called dishonesty not only lazy. So you got a slow honest person vs a lazy dishonest one.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>
R. Erasmus wrote:
why the slow guy is slow
Maybe just because he's average
R. Erasmus wrote:
Thats called dishonesty not only lazy
Maybe, but not necessarily. If he performs that work that he's assigned and is delivering within schedule, it doesn't mean dishonesty, specially if we don't know what kind of work he's doing. If, for example, he works on support, he might simply finish all the issues assigned to him and have no further issues. If he works on project analysis and design, he simply might finishing documentation early and wait for client feedback (and web surfing while at it). So dishonesty is a far call because it depends on a lot of variables... However if he's indeed costing more than he's making for the company and does not perform a good job I agree with you.