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  • P Pete OHanlon

    The Ribbon was introduced in Office 2007 because nearly all of the requests for new features in Word were for features that were already present. The team decided that they had so many commands, and that they were scattered in so many different places that a new approach would be needed for organising the menu options. They held an internal competition to find new ways of organising menus and the Ribbon was the one that was picked - primarily, I suspect, because it looks like a super toolbar, and users are already familiar with toolbars.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I'm not a fan of toolbars either.

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      i despise the ribbon

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Me too. It should be an option. I'm sticking with Office 2003.

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      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

        peterchen wrote:

        Self-drying paint

        Is there another kind of paint?

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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        Dalek Dave
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        Yes, there is non-drying paint.

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        • Q QuiJohn

          Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.

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          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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          I have switched to notepad++ for most things then just copy to Word to format. It is so painful when all of the menus are context based so you have to have perfect pixel placement to get the correct context menu.

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          • N Nish Nishant

            Rule 34!

            Regards, Nish


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            Nagy Vilmos
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            If you're involved, I think Rule 35 more appropriate. [BTW, does Smitha[^] know about this?]


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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              Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.

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              Marc A Brown
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              Once I got used to it I liked it.

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                Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.

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                S Houghtelin
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                I don't mind the ribbon, it's the effin contextual guessing game I hate. It's like having crappin' Clippy back, only now he's just hiding behind the ribbon exacting his revenge, only pissed off because no one liked him. I would like that I can lock the ribbon when I am doing something instead of it changing because Word or Excel thinks I want to change the font to some pansy pastel color. I used to be able to drag a tool bar and have it float near where I was working.

                It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                • D Dario Solera

                  I find it very good actually. Keep in mind that you can collapse it. There should be a small arrow in the top-right corner.

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                  Dario Solera wrote:

                  I find it very good actually.

                  I have to say I'm surprised how many here like it. It makes me wonder if I'm missing something and maybe I should give it another shot. Nah, I have a Mac now. (Which is a license for me to be a snooty asshole, right?)

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                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                    If you're involved, I think Rule 35 more appropriate. [BTW, does Smitha[^] know about this?]


                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                    Nish Nishant
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                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                    If you're involved, I think Rule 35 more appropriate.

                    :laugh:

                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                    [BTW, does Smitha[^] know about this?]

                    She says she's too classy to read the Lounge these days. :rolleyes:

                    Regards, Nish


                    My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Me too. It should be an option. I'm sticking with Office 2003.

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                      S Houghtelin
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                      At least Office 2003 worked. The graphics suck versions after, the graphics prettier and work if you only have 3 or 4 data points. :doh:

                      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                      • S S Houghtelin

                        I don't mind the ribbon, it's the effin contextual guessing game I hate. It's like having crappin' Clippy back, only now he's just hiding behind the ribbon exacting his revenge, only pissed off because no one liked him. I would like that I can lock the ribbon when I am doing something instead of it changing because Word or Excel thinks I want to change the font to some pansy pastel color. I used to be able to drag a tool bar and have it float near where I was working.

                        It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                        S Houghtelin wrote:

                        I don't mind the ribbon, it's the effin contextual guessing game I hate.

                        You know, I think you hit it on the head there. The categorization often seems completely arbitrary.

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                        • N Nish Nishant

                          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                          If you're involved, I think Rule 35 more appropriate.

                          :laugh:

                          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                          [BTW, does Smitha[^] know about this?]

                          She says she's too classy to read the Lounge these days. :rolleyes:

                          Regards, Nish


                          My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                          Nagy Vilmos
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                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          She says she's too classy to read the Lounge

                          From a woman married to you? Don't believe a word of it!


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          • P Peter Mulholland

                            Really? I'm using 7 at home and haven't noticed that. What bugs me about 7 is that my explorer window "changes" to the network and sharing center or the control panel or what ever else. Just leave my goddamn explorer window the way I like it and open another window for anything else that doesn't have/need/use a tree view of my hard drives/directories on the right hand side!

                            Pete

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                            Peter Mulholland wrote:

                            Really? I'm using 7 at home and haven't noticed that.

                            The default color scheme makes it difficult to know if a folder in the treeview is selected or a folder/file in the listview is selected. So if I delete a file thinking that the listview has the focus, I end up deleting its parent folder. (BTW, that's when I kicked off my bad habit of shift deleting).

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                            • N Nagy Vilmos

                              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                              She says she's too classy to read the Lounge

                              From a woman married to you? Don't believe a word of it!


                              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                              Nish Nishant
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                              Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                              From a woman married to you? Don't believe a word of it!

                              Well I was surprised too. So I took some time off to read the threads here. Then it kinda made sense. :-D

                              Regards, Nish


                              My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                              • P PIEBALDconsult

                                I'm not a fan of toolbars either.

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                                Lost User
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                                I prefer Neural Jack-ins. I mean why dig through menus/ribbons when I can think it!

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  Me too. It should be an option. I'm sticking with Office 2003.

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                  It should be an option

                                  It is.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    Yes, there is non-drying paint.

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    non-drying paint

                                    Then it's not paint.

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                      Dario Solera wrote:

                                      I find it very good actually.

                                      I have to say I'm surprised how many here like it. It makes me wonder if I'm missing something and maybe I should give it another shot. Nah, I have a Mac now. (Which is a license for me to be a snooty asshole, right?)

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                                      Dario Solera
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                                      I too have a Mac (a MacBook Air), but I mostly dislike OSX. I purchased it for the remarkable hardware and immediately installed Windows 7 via Bootcamp.

                                      If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog

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                                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        non-drying paint

                                        Then it's not paint.

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                        Dalek Dave
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                                        What would you call it then? See Here[^]

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                                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                          It should be an option

                                          It is.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          How so? I don't think you mean I can configure Office 2007+ to use ye olde menues. (And I don't mean some third-party replacement.)

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