Agree or Disagree
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Should experience matter?
Of course it matters, there is a difference between a fresher learning asp.net and a java guy with 10+ years, learning asp.net. it helps when you compare different technology instead of learning new one.
Obviously you need to be able to demonstrate the ability to learn. I think that is kind of his point, I have been programming for 10 years in various guises. I have learnt 5 or 6 different languages, or variants upon them, in that time. Any job spec that demands 2 years experience of something in particular is likely to rule me out. Is it more important to have been doing the desired language for the last 2, 3, 4 years. Whatever they think they want, or is it more important to be able to show that you can learn things quickly, get up to speed with things quickly, deliver things (regardless of what they may be in), and get on with colleagues, customers, managers and so on. The experience of working is more important than the experience of a specific language.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
That's what I said in the next point :) , both are important but you cannot ignore experience (Que was: Does it matter ?). it will help you to learn new things faster.
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... or drink liquid nitrogen on a regular basis. Woo-hoo! Here comes another one! :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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That's what I said in the next point :) , both are important but you cannot ignore experience (Que was: Does it matter ?). it will help you to learn new things faster.
Not necessarily. If you have a hundred years experience in the same thing then can you adapt, can you learn now, can you take on different ways of working, have you developed all sorts of little faults and quirks you are not aware of because all of you experience has been the same? Depends on the job on offer obviously (as many have said), but I think the person is of far more importance than the hard experience.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Click Here to read my most recent blog entry concernign programming specialty vs aptitute. Thoughts? I thought this may spur some conversation.
________ John Y. Developer
We are very lazy people here, so only link will not help, you need to describe on what is there on the link. We generally hate suprises unless it's from the code we wrote. :-D
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We are very lazy people here, so only link will not help, you need to describe on what is there on the link. We generally hate suprises unless it's from the code we wrote. :-D
I'm pretty sure we've already covered this point in this thread. The truly lazy wouldn't bother reposting.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Not necessarily. If you have a hundred years experience in the same thing then can you adapt, can you learn now, can you take on different ways of working, have you developed all sorts of little faults and quirks you are not aware of because all of you experience has been the same? Depends on the job on offer obviously (as many have said), but I think the person is of far more importance than the hard experience.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
ChrisElston wrote:
Not necessarily.
You dont consider experience useful ? come on mate... Whenever you need to google something that is mostly because you havent experience that issue before, if you did you could have solved the issue without googling. and after googleing the solution you learn that thing, now if you had experience you could have saved that time. :)
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We are very lazy people here, so only link will not help, you need to describe on what is there on the link. We generally hate suprises unless it's from the code we wrote. :-D
I like surprises. Wouldn't you like, to pick a name at random, to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I'm pretty sure we've already covered this point in this thread. The truly lazy wouldn't bother reposting.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
No, we are lazy on clicking links and reading things which are unknown... otherwise repost... is fun! :)
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Should experience matter?
Of course it matters, there is a difference between a fresher learning asp.net and a java guy with 10+ years, learning asp.net. it helps when you compare different technology instead of learning new one.
Obviously you need to be able to demonstrate the ability to learn. I think that is kind of his point, I have been programming for 10 years in various guises. I have learnt 5 or 6 different languages, or variants upon them, in that time. Any job spec that demands 2 years experience of something in particular is likely to rule me out. Is it more important to have been doing the desired language for the last 2, 3, 4 years. Whatever they think they want, or is it more important to be able to show that you can learn things quickly, get up to speed with things quickly, deliver things (regardless of what they may be in), and get on with colleagues, customers, managers and so on. The experience of working is more important than the experience of a specific language.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I think it would be different for permanent employee vs contractor/freelancer/temp A permanent employee is, generally, expected to be with the company for long enough that they might need to 'reskill' at some point, they are also expected to integrate into the company a lot more (and therefore learn the processes and approaches the company uses) whereas a non-permanent employee is generally valued for bringing pre-existing knowledge (i.e. experience) to the company for a short period of time. it doesn't really matter how fast a non-permanent employee can learn as they are unlikely to be around for long enough that they will have a chnace to use anything they learn.
Pedis ex oris
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I like surprises. Wouldn't you like, to pick a name at random, to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Cooking dinner? No. I can order in. I'm pretty sure I can find something better to do - possibly involving a quick online purchase at the NUFC shop.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Cooking dinner? No. I can order in. I'm pretty sure I can find something better to do - possibly involving a quick online purchase at the NUFC shop.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
You'll buy her a tracksuit and go out jogging. giggity giggity
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I have to agree with you too (despite my major argument in the blog). However even if your mindset had to change because you happend to have had just worked with one technology/framework, do you think yourself less able? Personally, I love to do that--having to learn somethign new to get something done. Those are the best moments of my job.
________ John Y. Developer
John Y. wrote:
However even if your mindset had to change because you happend to have had just worked with one technology/framework, do you think yourself less able?
Not really as far as, I can change my mindset. Yes there is a problem, if I cannot change my mindset (which most likely to happen with older age ;P ).
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You'll buy her a tracksuit and go out jogging. giggity giggity
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Good clean wholesome fun mixed with plenty of jiggling.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Good clean wholesome fun mixed with plenty of jiggling.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Now all we need to do is get the restraining order lifted. :-D
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I like surprises. Wouldn't you like, to pick a name at random, to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Now, why you want to incept this kind of hopes in my mind... why ?
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Now, why you want to incept this kind of hopes in my mind... why ?
It won't bother you. You don't like surprises.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Now all we need to do is get the restraining order lifted. :-D
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
I already have. I've stopped restraining her from coming near me - honestly, it was getting embarrassing the way she kept stalking me. (That's what I told the judge when she kept turning up at places 20 seconds before I got there, she was pre-emptively stalking me).
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Now, why you want to incept this kind of hopes in my mind... why ?
Rutvik Dave wrote:
Now, why you want to incept this kind of hopes in my mind... why ?
Okay have Nora Batty[^] instead.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
to arrive home and find Salma Hayek[^] cooking your dinner?
Now, why you want to incept this kind of hopes in my mind... why ?
This[^] lovely lady is waving just for you.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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This[^] lovely lady is waving just for you.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
I laughed just by reading the link.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
