My current gripe with Linux
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Sorry!:) I'm far from a shining knight in command line armor who can help you conquer the vagaries of Linux debugging. I know that Xdebug is the most common setup, and that's done on the PHP server you're testing on. Here's two articles that may help you if you haven't seen them: http://tech.blog.box.net/2007/06/20/how-to-debug-php-with-vim-and-xdebug-on-linux/[^] http://xdebug.org/docs/remote[^] Sorry I can't help much more than that!
Damn it Craig, damn it all to hell!! That first link looks REAL nice. I'm also investigating Intellij Idea's PHPStorm. How is the move working out for you? Better work? As in more interesting/challenging/pay?
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Damn it Craig, damn it all to hell!! That first link looks REAL nice. I'm also investigating Intellij Idea's PHPStorm. How is the move working out for you? Better work? As in more interesting/challenging/pay?
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It's interesting... in both good and bad ways. I switched platforms while at the same employer because it was in the best interests of the product I'm developing (solo, I might add). I'm also working on a startup that I hope to go full-time with soon, and it's quite difficult for me to decide which I'm going to use going forward there since I'm working from scratch. I did move to this current employer two years ago, and even today you're going to do much better at least here in Pennsylvania, USA with ASP.Net training due to both pay amounts (PHP will get you literally half of what ASP.Net will) and job openings (Ruby will get you close to ASP.Net, but there's almost no openings for it other than small startups in Philadelphia). My startup work at the moment involves some consulting projects, and those always seem to fall under Drupal-centered web-based stuff, or small businesses with Microsoft infrastructure. I find Drupal just irritating, as a developer - I won't go any farther than that here and now. The Microsoft stuff so far I like, mainly because a) I'm familiar with it, b) I like having GUIs to do my work, and c) there's not often a question of what the best practices are to accomplish something. The monetary cost of PHP, Ruby, and Linux development is null, and posting to the web via systems like Heroku or Linode is a lot easier and cheaper than Microsoft solutions. This is a part of the draw for startups. Time-wise, though, I get really frustrated trying to figure out when building something in Rails and ten people tell me ten ways/libraries to authenticate a user, and in PHP when there's seventy different frameworks that are different only when you go beyond a "Create a blog in 15 minutes!" level of familiarity. ASP.Net may be considered by some a dinosaur, or some slowly plodding platform that doesn't keep up with the times, but you get a solid platform, a solid database, a pretty comprehensive web framework that is incorporating (albeit slowly) popular ideas like MVC, and a very good IDE whose code editor (which I use exclusively, no drag/drop) is great. And there's no end to the documentation, books, tutorials, etc. that will help you get where you need to go - there's a lot of stuff in FOSS that has no or crappy documentation only available on their website. Microsoft's stuff has some issues, and some methods of configuration can be just stupid and obtuse. And you'll pay for the right stuff, either now or later if you grow. But frankly, for me at least, I think I'd probably go t
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Actually, the last post we discussed it, I specifically remember him mentioning having the whole thing provisioned and ready in less than an hour, thanks to the small installation footprint of everything and the most time consuming part was the time it took to download things. CEDET was used if I'm not mistaken, though nowadays with 2 kids my memory only acts like a guideline to events...
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I call the AIX admin to do all that work :) It's more of pain when your working with prod, dev, test, qa, training environments and keeping all of the setting the same or similar across three different applications (so about 15 different servers). Plus my normal data warehouse and SQL Server stuff but that’s easy because it’s all SQL based.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Meh, I use Windows 7 o my other box. I'm actually looking for a paradigm shift.
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I was just pointing out that your chosen paradigm shift requires the very thing you're compaining about, i.e., manually editing config files. If you want the best of both worlds, you might consider shifting again to Mac OS X. (As one who hates Macs, I can't believe I just wrote that! :laugh: )
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It's interesting... in both good and bad ways. I switched platforms while at the same employer because it was in the best interests of the product I'm developing (solo, I might add). I'm also working on a startup that I hope to go full-time with soon, and it's quite difficult for me to decide which I'm going to use going forward there since I'm working from scratch. I did move to this current employer two years ago, and even today you're going to do much better at least here in Pennsylvania, USA with ASP.Net training due to both pay amounts (PHP will get you literally half of what ASP.Net will) and job openings (Ruby will get you close to ASP.Net, but there's almost no openings for it other than small startups in Philadelphia). My startup work at the moment involves some consulting projects, and those always seem to fall under Drupal-centered web-based stuff, or small businesses with Microsoft infrastructure. I find Drupal just irritating, as a developer - I won't go any farther than that here and now. The Microsoft stuff so far I like, mainly because a) I'm familiar with it, b) I like having GUIs to do my work, and c) there's not often a question of what the best practices are to accomplish something. The monetary cost of PHP, Ruby, and Linux development is null, and posting to the web via systems like Heroku or Linode is a lot easier and cheaper than Microsoft solutions. This is a part of the draw for startups. Time-wise, though, I get really frustrated trying to figure out when building something in Rails and ten people tell me ten ways/libraries to authenticate a user, and in PHP when there's seventy different frameworks that are different only when you go beyond a "Create a blog in 15 minutes!" level of familiarity. ASP.Net may be considered by some a dinosaur, or some slowly plodding platform that doesn't keep up with the times, but you get a solid platform, a solid database, a pretty comprehensive web framework that is incorporating (albeit slowly) popular ideas like MVC, and a very good IDE whose code editor (which I use exclusively, no drag/drop) is great. And there's no end to the documentation, books, tutorials, etc. that will help you get where you need to go - there's a lot of stuff in FOSS that has no or crappy documentation only available on their website. Microsoft's stuff has some issues, and some methods of configuration can be just stupid and obtuse. And you'll pay for the right stuff, either now or later if you grow. But frankly, for me at least, I think I'd probably go t
Interesting. I'm finding that, albeit little, developing on *nix is extremely enjoyable. Most of the scripts I wrote were for VM administration and general admin work on *nix (I've had to play with CentOS, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, FreeBSD and OpenBSD, not to mention FreeNAS and pfSense). It is just so darned easy to automate things its almost sinful. Almost all of the web work I've done on PHP and RoR were in the small proof of concept arena, nothing worthwhile; One of the reasons I'm looking to setup a proper development environment is so that I can sink my teeth into some real development. I became a freelancer/startup about 4 years ago and when the economy went tits up so did the prospect for more work. Luckily, the Hospital Automation I was working on kept on getting changed and through them I got more work from Geneva but now I'm done and I'm just waiting for the bureaucratic processes to finish so I can get paid. Here in the ME, there is a solid Microsoft base and part of that is due to previously very lax or non-existent IP laws. Now that they're being enforced, sometimes at gun point and I'm not exaggerating, many are considering moving to something free. So, my bread and butter for the past few years was consulting on moving, at least the back end stuff, to FOSS. It has been working beautifully. I've worked with Linode and RackSpace, both fantastic companies and frankly, they make start costs ridiculously low, especially if you're smart with deployments.
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I find Eclipse and Netbeans on Linux to be quite responsive, better than 2008 in some cases (no experience with 2010). Strange. Could well be the remote desktop. I've faced similar issues when ssh-ing into remote machines and there's a slow connection (usually mine :()
MacRaider4 wrote:
My biggest complaint other than the speed of netbeans is it seems like certain things are made difficult on purpose...
Like what? I've been working with Linux (administration, bash, python and ruby scripts, all on vim, didn't need an IDE) for nearly 2 years now. I find CentOS to be a remarkably great server and because its built from Red Hat's RPMs, what I test on CentOS is practically guaranteed to work on RHEL.
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Really? I'm doing it "Locally" (server in the next room with a GB Network) and when I hit delete it takes a second or two to register.
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I have no problem setting things on the server side, I mean, this is stuff that should be edited once in a blue moon and I'm OK with that. Its well documented and all and its not staggeringly difficult. Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid. My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime. If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid.
Google "Germany, PHP, MySql".
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime.
Agreed, but under Linux a dev almost needs to be an admin too. It's not a Windows-system, it's not built as a click and go-interface.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
That's why Microsoft is a success. There is no alternative to the VS IDE :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
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Interesting. I'm finding that, albeit little, developing on *nix is extremely enjoyable. Most of the scripts I wrote were for VM administration and general admin work on *nix (I've had to play with CentOS, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, FreeBSD and OpenBSD, not to mention FreeNAS and pfSense). It is just so darned easy to automate things its almost sinful. Almost all of the web work I've done on PHP and RoR were in the small proof of concept arena, nothing worthwhile; One of the reasons I'm looking to setup a proper development environment is so that I can sink my teeth into some real development. I became a freelancer/startup about 4 years ago and when the economy went tits up so did the prospect for more work. Luckily, the Hospital Automation I was working on kept on getting changed and through them I got more work from Geneva but now I'm done and I'm just waiting for the bureaucratic processes to finish so I can get paid. Here in the ME, there is a solid Microsoft base and part of that is due to previously very lax or non-existent IP laws. Now that they're being enforced, sometimes at gun point and I'm not exaggerating, many are considering moving to something free. So, my bread and butter for the past few years was consulting on moving, at least the back end stuff, to FOSS. It has been working beautifully. I've worked with Linode and RackSpace, both fantastic companies and frankly, they make start costs ridiculously low, especially if you're smart with deployments.
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Yeah, it's definitely a relative thing. If you do a lot of admin work, Linux does have a distinct advantage. From a dev's point of view, where admin is not your real focus and you are basically just trying to make your code run, it's not as friendly as Windows, but for the experienced I understand. My conclusion is influenced by my inexperience with Linux too, so it's an additional roadblock I have to deal with beyond just coding in a new language. In your case though, between your experience, your political situation regarding licensing, and so on, I think FOSS is definitely the right choice. Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer!
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Yeah, it's definitely a relative thing. If you do a lot of admin work, Linux does have a distinct advantage. From a dev's point of view, where admin is not your real focus and you are basically just trying to make your code run, it's not as friendly as Windows, but for the experienced I understand. My conclusion is influenced by my inexperience with Linux too, so it's an additional roadblock I have to deal with beyond just coding in a new language. In your case though, between your experience, your political situation regarding licensing, and so on, I think FOSS is definitely the right choice. Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer!
Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer! I LOL for real when I read thatt :) I've a respectable 12 years under my belt, and I know that pales in comparison to some of the more experienced members here :)
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Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer! I LOL for real when I read thatt :) I've a respectable 12 years under my belt, and I know that pales in comparison to some of the more experienced members here :)
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:) Truly sorry, it sounded like you were just getting going after being an admin, starting out with PHP and Ruby. My mistake, I don't want to denigrate anyone's experience - I'm only on my 6th year, after all!
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:) Truly sorry, it sounded like you were just getting going after being an admin, starting out with PHP and Ruby. My mistake, I don't want to denigrate anyone's experience - I'm only on my 6th year, after all!
:laugh: Don't be, its good to laugh at oneself :) And if you're already thinking about a startup then you must be worth your salt. Thinking about any articles for CP?
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Really? I'm doing it "Locally" (server in the next room with a GB Network) and when I hit delete it takes a second or two to register.
That is strange. Are you sure there are no issues with the network at either end? Are you using VNC or NX? Is this through an SSH tunnel? Is it encrypted? All these would be unnecessary overheads if you're on a local network.
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:laugh: Don't be, its good to laugh at oneself :) And if you're already thinking about a startup then you must be worth your salt. Thinking about any articles for CP?
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Possibly, I want to get more into the community, and I'm trying to on sites like http://answers.onstartups.com just for conversation... Once I have gotten somewhere with our project, I'll definitely consider it.
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I was just pointing out that your chosen paradigm shift requires the very thing you're compaining about, i.e., manually editing config files. If you want the best of both worlds, you might consider shifting again to Mac OS X. (As one who hates Macs, I can't believe I just wrote that! :laugh: )
I'm actually considering a Mac Book Pro for my next laptop.. Well, mom always did say I should have become a doctor :laugh:
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Possibly, I want to get more into the community, and I'm trying to on sites like http://answers.onstartups.com just for conversation... Once I have gotten somewhere with our project, I'll definitely consider it.
I'll suggest you read up Pete O'Hanlon's articles on startups. Worth gold that stuff is. Seriously. And of course, we're here to help if you need anything, and if you need anything cloud based, I'm your man :)
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I'll suggest you read up Pete O'Hanlon's articles on startups. Worth gold that stuff is. Seriously. And of course, we're here to help if you need anything, and if you need anything cloud based, I'm your man :)
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I will definitely check him out. And thanks for the offer, I know I'll be taking you and CP up on it!
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I will definitely check him out. And thanks for the offer, I know I'll be taking you and CP up on it!
It'll be pleasure to help out, lord knows the community (here specifically) helped me out a zillion times.
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I have no problem setting things on the server side, I mean, this is stuff that should be edited once in a blue moon and I'm OK with that. Its well documented and all and its not staggeringly difficult. Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid. My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime. If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
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I posted the 5 because I don't feel this deserved the 1 vote it got. To whomever gave the 1 vote, the OP's allowed his opinion and I agree that developers shouldn't have to struggle with setting up debuggers, it's a necessary tool of the trade.
Mike Poz
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That is strange. Are you sure there are no issues with the network at either end? Are you using VNC or NX? Is this through an SSH tunnel? Is it encrypted? All these would be unnecessary overheads if you're on a local network.
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Didn't really expect to get support from this thread :laugh: I'm using NX and I'm pretty sure it's not through a SSH tunnel or encrypted but I could be wrong. I'm actually going to be re-installing everything pretty soon (test system), so I'll be sure when I re-do it that it's not SSH and encrypted (even though as I said I"m about 99% sure that is already the case). Thank you!
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Didn't really expect to get support from this thread :laugh: I'm using NX and I'm pretty sure it's not through a SSH tunnel or encrypted but I could be wrong. I'm actually going to be re-installing everything pretty soon (test system), so I'll be sure when I re-do it that it's not SSH and encrypted (even though as I said I"m about 99% sure that is already the case). Thank you!
Well, you're the lucky one :) I personally prefer VNC, you might want to give that a try too, though really it shouldn't matter all that much. Though VNC uses RDP, Microsoft's protocol.
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