My current gripe with Linux
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I have no problem setting things on the server side, I mean, this is stuff that should be edited once in a blue moon and I'm OK with that. Its well documented and all and its not staggeringly difficult. Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid. My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime. If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid.
Google "Germany, PHP, MySql".
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime.
Agreed, but under Linux a dev almost needs to be an admin too. It's not a Windows-system, it's not built as a click and go-interface.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
That's why Microsoft is a success. There is no alternative to the VS IDE :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:
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Interesting. I'm finding that, albeit little, developing on *nix is extremely enjoyable. Most of the scripts I wrote were for VM administration and general admin work on *nix (I've had to play with CentOS, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, FreeBSD and OpenBSD, not to mention FreeNAS and pfSense). It is just so darned easy to automate things its almost sinful. Almost all of the web work I've done on PHP and RoR were in the small proof of concept arena, nothing worthwhile; One of the reasons I'm looking to setup a proper development environment is so that I can sink my teeth into some real development. I became a freelancer/startup about 4 years ago and when the economy went tits up so did the prospect for more work. Luckily, the Hospital Automation I was working on kept on getting changed and through them I got more work from Geneva but now I'm done and I'm just waiting for the bureaucratic processes to finish so I can get paid. Here in the ME, there is a solid Microsoft base and part of that is due to previously very lax or non-existent IP laws. Now that they're being enforced, sometimes at gun point and I'm not exaggerating, many are considering moving to something free. So, my bread and butter for the past few years was consulting on moving, at least the back end stuff, to FOSS. It has been working beautifully. I've worked with Linode and RackSpace, both fantastic companies and frankly, they make start costs ridiculously low, especially if you're smart with deployments.
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Yeah, it's definitely a relative thing. If you do a lot of admin work, Linux does have a distinct advantage. From a dev's point of view, where admin is not your real focus and you are basically just trying to make your code run, it's not as friendly as Windows, but for the experienced I understand. My conclusion is influenced by my inexperience with Linux too, so it's an additional roadblock I have to deal with beyond just coding in a new language. In your case though, between your experience, your political situation regarding licensing, and so on, I think FOSS is definitely the right choice. Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer!
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Yeah, it's definitely a relative thing. If you do a lot of admin work, Linux does have a distinct advantage. From a dev's point of view, where admin is not your real focus and you are basically just trying to make your code run, it's not as friendly as Windows, but for the experienced I understand. My conclusion is influenced by my inexperience with Linux too, so it's an additional roadblock I have to deal with beyond just coding in a new language. In your case though, between your experience, your political situation regarding licensing, and so on, I think FOSS is definitely the right choice. Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer!
Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer! I LOL for real when I read thatt :) I've a respectable 12 years under my belt, and I know that pales in comparison to some of the more experienced members here :)
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Good luck on your journey to becoming a developer! I LOL for real when I read thatt :) I've a respectable 12 years under my belt, and I know that pales in comparison to some of the more experienced members here :)
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:) Truly sorry, it sounded like you were just getting going after being an admin, starting out with PHP and Ruby. My mistake, I don't want to denigrate anyone's experience - I'm only on my 6th year, after all!
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:) Truly sorry, it sounded like you were just getting going after being an admin, starting out with PHP and Ruby. My mistake, I don't want to denigrate anyone's experience - I'm only on my 6th year, after all!
:laugh: Don't be, its good to laugh at oneself :) And if you're already thinking about a startup then you must be worth your salt. Thinking about any articles for CP?
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Really? I'm doing it "Locally" (server in the next room with a GB Network) and when I hit delete it takes a second or two to register.
That is strange. Are you sure there are no issues with the network at either end? Are you using VNC or NX? Is this through an SSH tunnel? Is it encrypted? All these would be unnecessary overheads if you're on a local network.
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:laugh: Don't be, its good to laugh at oneself :) And if you're already thinking about a startup then you must be worth your salt. Thinking about any articles for CP?
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Possibly, I want to get more into the community, and I'm trying to on sites like http://answers.onstartups.com just for conversation... Once I have gotten somewhere with our project, I'll definitely consider it.
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I was just pointing out that your chosen paradigm shift requires the very thing you're compaining about, i.e., manually editing config files. If you want the best of both worlds, you might consider shifting again to Mac OS X. (As one who hates Macs, I can't believe I just wrote that! :laugh: )
I'm actually considering a Mac Book Pro for my next laptop.. Well, mom always did say I should have become a doctor :laugh:
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Possibly, I want to get more into the community, and I'm trying to on sites like http://answers.onstartups.com just for conversation... Once I have gotten somewhere with our project, I'll definitely consider it.
I'll suggest you read up Pete O'Hanlon's articles on startups. Worth gold that stuff is. Seriously. And of course, we're here to help if you need anything, and if you need anything cloud based, I'm your man :)
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I'll suggest you read up Pete O'Hanlon's articles on startups. Worth gold that stuff is. Seriously. And of course, we're here to help if you need anything, and if you need anything cloud based, I'm your man :)
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I will definitely check him out. And thanks for the offer, I know I'll be taking you and CP up on it!
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I will definitely check him out. And thanks for the offer, I know I'll be taking you and CP up on it!
It'll be pleasure to help out, lord knows the community (here specifically) helped me out a zillion times.
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I have no problem setting things on the server side, I mean, this is stuff that should be edited once in a blue moon and I'm OK with that. Its well documented and all and its not staggeringly difficult. Point me to where I could find a living doing this stuff and I'll send you a keg by mail, all expenses paid. My biggest issue is setting up the debugger for the IDE. As a programmer, I shouldn't have to mess with this stuff, I should be churning money making code with minimal downtime. If I have to waste days/weeks/months/years/eons to setup a development environment, the concept of time is money has been wrestled to the ground and been given a sound kicking to the kidneys.
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I posted the 5 because I don't feel this deserved the 1 vote it got. To whomever gave the 1 vote, the OP's allowed his opinion and I agree that developers shouldn't have to struggle with setting up debuggers, it's a necessary tool of the trade.
Mike Poz
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That is strange. Are you sure there are no issues with the network at either end? Are you using VNC or NX? Is this through an SSH tunnel? Is it encrypted? All these would be unnecessary overheads if you're on a local network.
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Didn't really expect to get support from this thread :laugh: I'm using NX and I'm pretty sure it's not through a SSH tunnel or encrypted but I could be wrong. I'm actually going to be re-installing everything pretty soon (test system), so I'll be sure when I re-do it that it's not SSH and encrypted (even though as I said I"m about 99% sure that is already the case). Thank you!
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Didn't really expect to get support from this thread :laugh: I'm using NX and I'm pretty sure it's not through a SSH tunnel or encrypted but I could be wrong. I'm actually going to be re-installing everything pretty soon (test system), so I'll be sure when I re-do it that it's not SSH and encrypted (even though as I said I"m about 99% sure that is already the case). Thank you!
Well, you're the lucky one :) I personally prefer VNC, you might want to give that a try too, though really it shouldn't matter all that much. Though VNC uses RDP, Microsoft's protocol.
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I posted the 5 because I don't feel this deserved the 1 vote it got. To whomever gave the 1 vote, the OP's allowed his opinion and I agree that developers shouldn't have to struggle with setting up debuggers, it's a necessary tool of the trade.
Mike Poz
Cheers :) Sometimes we question the methods of democracy. Frankly, I stopped caring a long time ago when someone downvotes me, it has happened often enough. But its just as nice when someone pops in out of the blue to counter balance, tells me that there are niceties left in this world. Thanks :)
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Come back! Windows 7 is really nice. Stay away from VS 2010 though, unless you really enjoy coffee breaks!
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Well stay away if you can... We are developing customer software where actually the customer gets all source code and a license for further developing on the project. Now, if MS only sells VS2010 we have no good argument to keep 2008 around, and we also do not want to explain to the customer that at the end of our development, we will upgrade the project from 2008 to 2010, making it essentially un-editable on our side. So the simple but effective deprecation of old versions leaves us no choice, and it´s the same with Win XP vs. Win 7, Server 2003 vs 2008 etc. We have sub-suppliers who still cannot confirm that their software will run smoothly on Win 7 / Server 2008, forcing us to make manual downgrades which are costly and leave much of the available power (64bit, huge memory) unused. On the other Hand, Windows 7 seems to be a big leap forward. It´s attitude towards the user is much more optimistic and the useability has really improved. Stay away from Office 2007 & 2010 dough :)
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