Coming out of the closet
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
'Congratulations!' somehow seems awkward, but it does convey my best wishes.
:) Well, thank you all the same.
By 'awkward' I also meant 'inadequate'. I don't know the etiquette for coming out announcements ;).
Software Zen:
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By 'awkward' I also meant 'inadequate'. I don't know the etiquette for coming out announcements ;).
Software Zen:
delete this;Well I think as DD said some time ago, the most normal response is "Yeah we know", cos whilst the outee has been struggling with it for some time everyone else has just taken it for granted and got on with things.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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OK. I feel it important to announce that I'm heterosexual. I'm a guy who loves women. Thank you for your support. Why should his being gay matter? To anyone. It's a private matter that is his business. He shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braunahmed zahmed wrote:
Why should his being gay matter? To anyone. It's a private matter that is his business. He shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else.
Other people make it their business, and when you're in a despised minority whose rights are being actively undermined by prominent groups in society, I can see the utility in not surrendering and hiding away out of sight. Ideally, yes, it shouldn't matter. But it does.
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It is more comfortable to sit on with her tail?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Ouch! :rolleyes:
Ali
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Alison P wrote:
Great! Does that mean you can advise me on soft furnishings? ;)
Well, if you're in the market for bad advice, sure! ;P
Alison P wrote:
Sorry, you know I have to turn everything into a joke!
I love that quality in a person.
Alison P wrote:
... except maybe the odd cushion question.
Orange! No, purple! With lace! :-D
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Orange!
No, purple!
With lace!Hmmm .... I'll come back to you on that! ;) :-D
Ali
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I'm gay. Not a hugely interesting revelation, I freely confess, so I shan't go on about it.
IMHO everybody here are gay some why or another.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I'm an atheist
But you share a middle initial with Jesus.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Well, that remains to be seen
So we'll have to wait for the future to unravel?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
No matter the outcome, there will be reason to rejoyce.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Why should his being gay matter? To anyone. It's a private matter that is his business. He shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else.
Other people make it their business, and when you're in a despised minority whose rights are being actively undermined by prominent groups in society, I can see the utility in not surrendering and hiding away out of sight. Ideally, yes, it shouldn't matter. But it does.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
when you're in a despised minority whose rights are being actively undermined by prominent groups in society
What, developing on Windows?
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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wizardzz wrote:
Did you recently come out in your life, too? Or is this just a CP outing?
I've told a few people in real life. Nobody in my family, though.
wizardzz wrote:
Also, where is your italicized quote in your profile from?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
That's damned hilarious! I love this quote: "Either way, there will be anguish and sorrow at some unknown point." As well as the one in your profile. LMAO
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
You want a medal or something?
Well, that wasn't my aim, but I wouldn't say 'no'...
LOL. I didn't really think so. It saddens me though that you are made to feel the need to "announce" anything. It shouldn't be that way. One should be accepted and loved and cared about for who they are. I hope your life is happy as can be.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
No matter the outcome, there will be reason to rejoyce.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
rejoyce
Snort! :laugh: :laugh: 5!
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Congratulations. I never did figure out the proper way to respond to a revelation like that... Granted, I live in a very liberal area, so it's really a non-issue here.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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I never did figure out the proper way to respond to a revelation like that
Neither have I. But when my best friend came out of the closet, my response without any thought was: "I'm not going to stop making gay jokes just because of that", which in hindsight seems to have been the right answer. But you know what? I basically did stop telling them. They have to be really good to be worth telling nowadays. And gays knows all the jokes already.
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I'm gay. Not a hugely interesting revelation, I freely confess, so I shan't go on about it.
I have a couple of friends that are gay, and their experience was that it's worse to tell people the closer they are. But keep in mind that the friends that doesn't accept it, aren't worth having as friends! Family is worse, but if they love you they will accept it. When my best friend finally scraped together enough guts to tell his family, his father told him: We've known for years son, I'm happy you have found yourself.
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I'm gay. Not a hugely interesting revelation, I freely confess, so I shan't go on about it.
with all respect bud, you are Ravel, gay or straight. that's all that matters. it's you for you. how's things where you are? :) (pours you some coffee).
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Why should his being gay matter?
It does.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
To anyone
To the person concerned.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
It's a private matter that is his business. He should be treated any differently than anyone else.
I agree, thats why he is coming out, so he can be treated fairly by himself.
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Fat__Eric wrote:
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Why should his being gay matter?
It does.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
To anyone
To the person concerned.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
It's a private matter that is his business. He should be treated any differently
than anyone else.I agree, thats why he is coming out, so he can be treated fairly by himself.
I can't speak for anyone else except me and my "circle of friends" on this topic. "why does it matter", as he's still the Ravel we know. It's not like he turned into a incrediable hulk or said he was concervative right winger. we look at him for "him". For Ravel though it's a big deal as he can be open about it and feel like he doesn't need to "hide". and don't say hetros aren't open about theirs as I've seen "tail" waggings. and people do try to hide "themselves" as lets face it, the human race is a bunch idiots and chastise anything and everything that's different, so can make things hard. I congratulate Ravel in his openness and able to take his "breath" but also letting him know, he's still a good bud to chat with and I think him non the different.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Why should his being gay matter? To anyone. It's a private matter that is his business. He shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else.
Other people make it their business, and when you're in a despised minority whose rights are being actively undermined by prominent groups in society, I can see the utility in not surrendering and hiding away out of sight. Ideally, yes, it shouldn't matter. But it does.
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Thanks for that, it makes no difference to anyone here you know. But, firstly, I know it can be difficult to admit it at first, (I have gay and Lesbian friends who had terrible trouble admitting it), so well done. Secondly, unless people are living in the middle ages (or the 1950's or Croydon), it is of little matter. I am a Fat, Middle-aged, Conservative Man with a nasty drug habit (Smoke, Drink and Eat Cheese), it is who I am. Your sexuality is your own concern. Whatever, young dude, just be yourself and don't go screaming queen on us. (Even amongst my Gay friends, they dislike Screaming Queens). So long as whatever you do is legal, consensual and nobody is hurt, who gives a tinker's cuss?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Secondly, unless people are living in the middle ages (or the 1950's or Croydon), it is of little matter.
It certainly matters quite a deal in a significant and perhaps majority of the world. Some of the more 'civilized' places at least provide the facade of making it illegal rather than just leaving one to the mob. There are some countries where it seems more acceptable and accepted but certainly in the US there are large numbers of people who react negatively and some times in extreme ways to it. The only bright spot there is that it appears that those numbers are shrinking.
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Political, have you tried telling your mother? Diplomacy is required. Although when my friend Biggles came out, he stood in the pub and said "I just need to clear the air and let you all know that I am gay". We all stood, shocked. Shocked that he felt he had to tell us, we all knew.
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my Cousin was slowly "coming out" to family, hadn't told me yet ( course wasn't hard to tell, and I know a lot of people). he was suppose to give me a ride, but he wanted to go out to the club, made him nervous that I wanted to go as well ( my favorite pub was near where he was going, I just didn't say that part). turned whiter when I said "yah, I'l even come in for a few beers" (I really need to learn about mentioning details quicker). :-\
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Bi - No probs Dim - we all are from time to time. Offensive - Regularly, like me. Wrong - Wait a moment...
Fat__Eric wrote:
I am actually English, though I prefer the French
See, Wrong! And it is also a choice. :)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Fat__Eric wrote:
I am actually English, though I prefer the French
See, Wrong!
And it is also a choice. :)likes his cake and eats it too. ( if this was inoprop, let me know / block it, I'm sorry, they started it. )
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digital man wrote:
and?
I'm an atheist. ;P
digital man wrote:
p.s. No future Ravels?
Well, that remains to be seen.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
digital man wrote:
and?
I'm an atheist. ;-P
atheist? that's it get out... ( joking, )
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
digital man wrote:
p.s. No future Ravels?
Well, that remains to be seen.
who knows, you may even adopt. not like kids are a big deal, some are for them, some aren't.
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