Windows 8 will transform PC industry
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5fingers wrote:
A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used.
For it to be true, you have to make txtspeak as an accepted universal written language. :laugh:
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For coders voice recognition is a non-starter. Imagine having to say "class capital-foo extends capital-bar open-brace new-line private capital-string bob semi-colon forward-slash forward-slash holds value of bob new-line capital-foo open-bracket capital-string bob close-bracket open-brace new-line this-dot-bob equals bob semi-colon new-line close-brace new-line close-brace" instead of typing:
class Foo extends Bar {
private String bob; // holds value of bob
Foo (String bob) {
this.bob=bob;
}
}
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Not to mention Foo = Phoo = Fu = etc, as well as your machine picking up what the next desk is saying, writing down what you say to your colleagues, and so on. Voice recognition makes sense in certain limited situations, where you can commune with the computer via a headset, typing normally is not practical, and there are not other around.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC.
There was some editorial a while ago expressing that view. I think you're right, quite frankly. Most people don't need a keyboard other than to post on facebook, twitter, or send some email. Watching the folks that come over (I'm one of the few people that has Internet access around here, and offering tea and sometimes dinner also has its benefits) there's a lot of mouse clicking and very little actual typing. For the typing, a simple foldout bluetooth keyboard for a pad would meet their needs quite well. As an example, I was going over a thesis paper (The Purpose of Education) a friend wrote. We spent several hours sitting on the couch, discussing the paper, which we were viewing on my Galaxy Tab. Much more comfortable and frankly a far better user interface. Take a page from Star Trek. You don't see keyboards on the bridge of the Enterprise, do you? Marc
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
The new input device is not here yet. It may be close, though. It is a device containing two sensors, one attached to the top of your head, and another looks directly at your eyes. The device will sense whatever you are thinking, and figure out what you want to enter. It enters whatever that is to the point your eyes are aiming. No physical keyboard and/or on screen keyboard are needed. Suppose you want to zoom the map displayed on screen. Just think: "Zoom," and it zooms to the degree you have in mind. Nice.
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The new input device is not here yet. It may be close, though. It is a device containing two sensors, one attached to the top of your head, and another looks directly at your eyes. The device will sense whatever you are thinking, and figure out what you want to enter. It enters whatever that is to the point your eyes are aiming. No physical keyboard and/or on screen keyboard are needed. Suppose you want to zoom the map displayed on screen. Just think: "Zoom," and it zooms to the degree you have in mind. Nice.
Hmmmm. Not sure how effective that will be on a certain adult kind of site.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
Windows 8 will transform PC industry
Yes, it could remove Microsoft from the top of the food chain. And for the touch screen replacing the mouse and the keyboard is like expecting mountain bikes to replace trains.
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mmm. programming with an on-screen keyboard... looking forward to that X|
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it'll be easy! you'll have these little blocks of code that expose well-defined interfaces and you drag and drop them onto a workspace and hook their little interfaces together, then press Go! they'll call it Hypercard OO OLE COM DCOM Beans The Future!
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Got bored with it. I'm not a great one for playing computer games, so it kept me entertained for about 5 days.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Got bored with it. I'm not a great one for playing computer games, so it kept me entertained for about 5 days.
Actually this is true for most users. Average tablet/phone user fires up an app about 15 times and within a week the majority are never used again. I can only name a half a dozen which I use on a daily basis (Music and Navigation being two of those). Only one is a game and not a very graphical one either.
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Hmmmm. Not sure how effective that will be on a certain adult kind of site.
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Depends if it is what you are thinking consciously or not. Some people may find out things about themselves they never knew on those sites. ;P
Well, if it was a site displaying guitars, my eyes would be all over the place.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
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Please, don't suggest dictation software. Ignoring the obvious drawback (it's total cr@p) can you imagine the problems: 1) The noise level as we all try to code. 2) The Non-PC comments it adds when we spot a problem...
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
What is you view?
My view is that nobody gave you permission to speak.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The noise level as we all try to code.
Youngster! :-D You should have heard a secraterial pool when they used IBM Selectrics. I can just imagin what manual typewriters sounded like in a large group.
djj55 wrote:
Youngster
I wish! It was bad enough with chain printers in the IBM 360 days... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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That is one closed minded view you have there! Where I work people underwrite insurance policies and to be honest they would have a nightmare entering 4 or 5 pages of printed information through a touchscreen device. Personally I think there is at the moment only limited business advantage for these types of devices. The only real advantage they have is for the home user.
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Simon_Whale wrote:
The only real advantage they have is for the home cafe user.
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djj55 wrote:
Youngster
I wish! It was bad enough with chain printers in the IBM 360 days... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
That is why they were inside a cabinet. :)
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5fingers wrote:
A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used.
Have you ever tried to type more than a few sentences on a touch screen? It's horrible. You get no tactile feedback, so you can't tell whether your finger is in the middle of the key, on the edge of the key, or on the edge of the NEXT key. Touch screens are fine for surfing the web and typing the occasional URL or e-mail address, but they can't replace a physical keyboard for serious writing or coding. Not unless haptic feedback technologies take a HUGE leap forward.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)At the end of the 1970s and early 1980s sensor buttons and membrane keyboards were 'in'. Almost every electronic device had some. My old Atari 400 even has such a membrane keyboard. It's totally unusable for the exact reasons you state. Back then normal buttons and keys returned quickly after the novelty of sensor buttons had worn off. Looks like the things stay the same the more they change. Atari 400[^]
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For your example, a voice/machine interface would be faster. Imagine just reading off the numbers:
1-7-2 next 4-5-0-0-0 next 4-0-5-point-7-6 next-line! Zooming.
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Yes, and now immagine a whole office full of people merrily reciting the letters, source code, tables and whatever else they might be dictating at the moment :) I played around with IBM Voice Control more than 10 years ago. It worked, but it sure was not faster than someone who really can type. What about special characters or languages using many special characters like French? And, at least for me, it felt somewhat silly to sit in an empty room and talk into the air.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used.
Reminds me of Apple's revolutionary Macbook Wheel...
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Please, don't suggest dictation software. Ignoring the obvious drawback (it's total cr@p) can you imagine the problems: 1) The noise level as we all try to code. 2) The Non-PC comments it adds when we spot a problem...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
OriginalGriff wrote:
Please, don't suggest dictation software.
Agreed, but what about some sort of direct USB link to your brain? Other than the obvious need of having a device driver on the PC filter out certain anatomically diverse words that occur at regular, frequent intervals.
