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  • C Chris Maunder

    I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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    I'm not sure - but I suspect my reply would start with 'F' and end with "Off".

    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      I'm not sure - but I suspect my reply would start with 'F' and end with "Off".

      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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      You missed out "uck".


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        You missed out "uck".


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        What? And swear in the lounge? :wtf: I reserve that for the Truly Unacceptable Swearwords: "Belgium" and "VB"

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          you cant use sound logic or reasoning with an HR recruiter... i recommend you pick up a "dummies guide to HR lingo" so you can translate your requirements into HR lingo (based on dutch it think) then you must list a series of key technology buzz words that they can string match CVs with.:mad:

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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            Fair and Salary rarely go hand in hand.

            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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            • C Chris Maunder

              I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              Chris Maunder wrote:

              How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

              I would tell this person the following: "I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions." Just a thought. ;)

              Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
              "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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              • C Chris Maunder

                I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                Chris Maunder wrote:

                How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                But I don't want to move to Canada...

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  Fair and Salary rarely go hand in hand.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                  Are you overpaid too?

                  There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    That's crazy talk. You need to hire based on buzzwords alone.

                    Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]

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                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                      But I don't want to move to Canada...

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                      Single Step Debugger
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                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                      But I don't want to move to Canada...

                      In your case the opposite will be considered as a massive and unprovoked military invasion.

                      There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                        That's crazy talk. You need to hire based on buzzwords alone.

                        Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]

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                        Single Step Debugger
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                        This is exactly how the Java developers are interviewed.

                        There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          AspDotNetDev
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                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent

                          No recruiter's going to be be pipelining me, no matter the size or quantity of his tools.

                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                          :thumbsup: (closest emoticon I could find for "raises hand")

                          Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                          INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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                            Chris Maunder wrote:

                            How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                            But I don't want to move to Canada...

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                            You and I should oversee the US office. Does Myrtle Beach suit you?

                            Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                            INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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                              This is exactly how the Java developers are interviewed.

                              There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                              RJOberg
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                              You have no idea how true this is, I was in an interview and I was asked "Tell me about Java." To which I replied "Well, what would you like to know? Coding examples? What I have used Java for? How it is designed to be platform independant? Your question is a bit vague in scope." I got a deer in the headlights look as a reply. Needless to say, I didn't get the job but ended up getting a MUCH better one shortly thereafter. :-D

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                Rutvik Dave
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                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                How do I explain that

                                No, No need to explain anything, just ask him that, what does he mean by 'Web 2.0' ? :)

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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  How do I explain that

                                  No, No need to explain anything, just ask him that, what does he mean by 'Web 2.0' ? :)

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                                  AspDotNetDev
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                                  That would probably be about as uncomfortable as the Tenacious D friendship test. :)

                                  Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                                  INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent. How do I explain that I'd rather find an interesting, talented, professional developer whom I like personally and who wishes to do a solid days work for a fair salary while feeling valuable for their contributions?

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                                    I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent.

                                    I would just ask what he suggests using as a fulcrum to make things work with Web 3.0 or 4.0. Then put his tools in his pipeline and see what comes out the other end. Actually I'd tell him I'll keep his tools in mind the next time I need a pipeline engineer.

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      What? And swear in the lounge? :wtf: I reserve that for the Truly Unacceptable Swearwords: "Belgium" and "VB"

                                      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                      Luc Pattyn
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                                      Oy! According to this source[^] it is UK universities and schools, not Belgian ones, that are to be linked to the poor state of affairs in Q&A. :)

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                                        Chris Maunder wrote:

                                        I received an email from a recruiter tell me about leveraging web 2.0 tools to pipeline quality talent.

                                        I would just ask what he suggests using as a fulcrum to make things work with Web 3.0 or 4.0. Then put his tools in his pipeline and see what comes out the other end. Actually I'd tell him I'll keep his tools in mind the next time I need a pipeline engineer.

                                        CQ de W5ALT

                                        Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                        :laugh:

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                                        • A AspDotNetDev

                                          You and I should oversee the US office. Does Myrtle Beach suit you?

                                          Somebody in an online forum wrote:

                                          INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.

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                                          Tom Delany
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                                          AspDotNetDev wrote: Does Myrtle Beach suit you? I was thinking more like Lahaina, in Maui, Hawaii. :) WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.

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