I hate Javascript....
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
It's not so bad when you have vs2010 SP1 and all the intellisense features enabled. We are working on beating our code into submission so we can use jsLint as part of the build process. Adding client side templates and a UI framework like sproutcore and it's practically respectable. If you are still writing procedural code with a crap load of global variables and alert debugging, then yeah it's just as bad as VB6 was back in the day.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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It's not so bad when you have vs2010 SP1 and all the intellisense features enabled. We are working on beating our code into submission so we can use jsLint as part of the build process. Adding client side templates and a UI framework like sproutcore and it's practically respectable. If you are still writing procedural code with a crap load of global variables and alert debugging, then yeah it's just as bad as VB6 was back in the day.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
Did SP1 add js intelisense? There sure as hell isn't any sign meaningful sign that I'm not using a massively bloated version of notepad when editing .js files. Seeing my beloved IDE revert to something LESS capable than the turbo pascal 7 IDE when I was less than half my current age is even more unpleasant than either the javascript language itself or the performance/stability problems that firebug injects into firefox. Adding insult to injury, after dragging their feet for months the beancounters as work bought my resharper 5 license days before the free upgrade to 6.0 became available. :((
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Hey man! have a :java: and chill.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Assuming that that icon is coffee, I can think of better ways of relaxing than imbibing stimulants. (ps. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of coffee, but not when I'm trying to chill or sleep).
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I'm slogging through a user story that requires me to combine NHibernate, MVC3, and JQuery to finish, which is all new to me (I usually write Windows or DB apps), and the code is a spaghetti mess. Do people just like chaining jquery expressions together just for the hell of it, or to obfuscate their code for the next dev?! I miss asp.net web forms with code behind...nice, simple, clean, easy.
I agree with you on jQuery - its another of those languages/libraries that allows incredibly terse expressions to do a lot, at the expense of readability and maintainability.
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Assuming that that icon is coffee, I can think of better ways of relaxing than imbibing stimulants. (ps. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of coffee, but not when I'm trying to chill or sleep).
Rob Grainger wrote:
Assuming that that icon is coffee
It is indeed. The (obviously inadequate) attempt at humour/irony is that to get that emoticon you type <colon>java<colon>. Java. Geddit? Did you see what I did there?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
JavaScript may have it's problems (and more than a few) but at least it is cross-platform and cross-browser (mostly, I'm looking at you IE). So I would say that it is still a better choice than Silverlight, unless your project is internal and you can dictate it's usage across your user-base. But then it still locks you in to a single platform choice. For all of it's problems JavaScript isn't too bad, personally I'm looking forward to seeing what Dart can do.
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Rob Grainger wrote:
Assuming that that icon is coffee
It is indeed. The (obviously inadequate) attempt at humour/irony is that to get that emoticon you type <colon>java<colon>. Java. Geddit? Did you see what I did there?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I was wondering how you got that one - it doesn't appear in my panel to the left here. Is there a guide somewhere to usable icons that you are aware of.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I have really enjoyed reading these comments. I am personally a huge fan of JavaScript, but that doesn't mean it's any better or worse than any others' choice of language. I have never had the opportunity to work with much Silverlight/.NET so maybe thats why I leveraged a lot in JavaScript - especially for some neat bells and whistles on my web-systems. And yes, with HTML5, Javascript is in the spot light - but that doens't mean everyone has to use it, right? And for all the non-Javascript developers out there, I will agree with one thing - when Javascript is too heavily used, it can cause a lag in performance - so it should be used with wisdom :-) And the reliance on libraries liek jQuery (which I also use from time to time), can also be too heavily used and cause huge performance issues. Sometimes, there is no need to use it, but people still do. Maybe some articles/blogs on when to use Javascript(jQuery) vs when not to would be great here! Thanks and happy coding to all! John Y. ________ John Y. Developer
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I despise the entire HTML stack. I loved the promise of the web but it's a nightmare putting together server side/client side code that uses entirely different technologies along with clunky HTML that has to work in several different browsers all against standards that aren't due out for another 10 years. Javascript is just one piece of the nightmare - the whole thing is a mess from start to finish. Unfortunately, it will never be fixed because the web is seen as international property and it's been handed over to a "consortium" that can take 10+ years to finalize a standard. That time line alone tells you all that needs to be said about the future of the web - a bunch of self-aggrandizing blowhards took it over - it's dead. By the time those guys get around to making a standard the interwebs will be ruled by App Stores. Nobody needs the World Wide Web anyways - buy 1/2 dozen apps that meet your needs and you're done. For the price of 1/2 dozen apps you can leave the world of clunky, slow, muddled interfaces behind. Seriously, you'll be on your 5th tablet with all the functionality you'll ever need when a headline pops up declaring the HMTL 5 standards finalized. You'll be like: What's HTML?
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Power is nothing without control... Javascript is very useful. Get yourself a manual, so you can control it.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app
you can
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you can
Actually, no. You cannot. WinRT is only available for metro applications, not for desktop applications. On the desktop, nothing changes. You are still in win32 hell.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I'm not a fan of javascript myself. Several things bother me though... This idea that somehow silverlight is "dead". This is completely ridiculous. Silverlight is anything but "dead". It's been years now since XAML was introduced but winforms is still alive and kicking. It's been years since .NET was introduced, but it didn't kill C++. A technology is dead the day that it stops working or where development tools no longer support it. That day eventually comes for EVERY language, but I don't expect that to happen to SL in the next decade. Another thing that bothers me is this blind mentality of arbitrarily choosing a technology to develop in. I know PLENTY of people who choose technology X by default, no matter what kind of application they are engineering... no matter what the target user base is... Just without thinking, it's technology X because "I'm an X-developer!!!". It's asanine. Choose the right tool for the job. If you are building an application that needs to be usable on desktops, laptops, tablets and phones... off course you will choose JS. For the sheer fact that it's basicly the only technology that allows such cross platform stuff. Honestly, that's the only situation I can imagine where you would want to choose JS over anything else. Personally, I'm a XAML dude myself. So whenever it suits my needs, XAML/C# will be my technology of choice. Seeing as I am a 100% LOB developer, I see no reason to use another technology. All my customers are on windows anyway.
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I'm not a fan of javascript myself. Several things bother me though... This idea that somehow silverlight is "dead". This is completely ridiculous. Silverlight is anything but "dead". It's been years now since XAML was introduced but winforms is still alive and kicking. It's been years since .NET was introduced, but it didn't kill C++. A technology is dead the day that it stops working or where development tools no longer support it. That day eventually comes for EVERY language, but I don't expect that to happen to SL in the next decade. Another thing that bothers me is this blind mentality of arbitrarily choosing a technology to develop in. I know PLENTY of people who choose technology X by default, no matter what kind of application they are engineering... no matter what the target user base is... Just without thinking, it's technology X because "I'm an X-developer!!!". It's asanine. Choose the right tool for the job. If you are building an application that needs to be usable on desktops, laptops, tablets and phones... off course you will choose JS. For the sheer fact that it's basicly the only technology that allows such cross platform stuff. Honestly, that's the only situation I can imagine where you would want to choose JS over anything else. Personally, I'm a XAML dude myself. So whenever it suits my needs, XAML/C# will be my technology of choice. Seeing as I am a 100% LOB developer, I see no reason to use another technology. All my customers are on windows anyway.
I like your post! :P I personally get annoyed at comment such as "Silverlight is dead too" (heard just yesterday from the said guy!!)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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I'm slogging through a user story that requires me to combine NHibernate, MVC3, and JQuery to finish, which is all new to me (I usually write Windows or DB apps), and the code is a spaghetti mess. Do people just like chaining jquery expressions together just for the hell of it, or to obfuscate their code for the next dev?! I miss asp.net web forms with code behind...nice, simple, clean, easy.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I hate it too. I hate to depend on it even more. Unfortunately, somethings can only be accomplished in JavaScript if you're web application is to be independent of plugins and completely crawlable without having to resort with special mechanisms.
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I like your post! :P I personally get annoyed at comment such as "Silverlight is dead too" (heard just yesterday from the said guy!!)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Super Lloyd wrote:
"Silverlight is dead too" (heard just yesterday from the said guy!!)
Next time he says that, show him a present day job opening requesting a Cobol engineer and then ask him if Cobol is to be considered "dead" as well... And then, off course, point him to the fact that Silverlight 5 is due for release in 2 months. If that's defined as "dead" these days, then I'm no longer worried about dying. Haha.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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At work there is a big project in Javascript, there is a project leader manager who swear by javascript and the evilness of IE and Silverlight. That Silverlight is dead and useless and Javascript is the future and so powerful. Mm.... For that matter the web is populated by javasript biggot who think Javascript rule the world, it is announced, all other technology are going to die, don't they realize the power of HTML5? I guess I'm a .NET biggot (although I would love WinRT/C++ if it could write normal desktop app (as opposed to "immersive app" only)), but this blind javascript madness is irking me!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
This is just the same group of people that tried to claim that XML was going to solve all world problems including hunger and poverty. JavaScript is awesome, so is XML and JSON, and C++ and C# and Java and assembly. But I have a toolbox with ALL of those tools and many more. I try to use the best tool for the job. I am amazed how many people see everything as a nail and want to only use one tool for all jobs. Oh well. These trends come and go. So will the JavaScript is God's own language trend!