And the winner is..............
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Why does your guess immediately turn to blaming it on the US ?
As recent history has shown us, RIAA members (of which Sony belongs) are greedy b*stards who would sell their own grandmother to make a profit. With names like Kelleher, Morris and, Berger it doesn't look like the Japanese are CEOs of the music division. My guess is that Sony Music Entertainment is who would most likely have made the decision to raise the price of a music album. Edit: I don't know who downvoted you, but it most certainly was not me.
"On the night of 8 August 2011, the Sony music distribution centre in Enfield, London was destroyed in an arson attack during the 2011 England riots.[34]" Wikipedia 'Sony Music Entertainment' I didn't hear of price gouging (at least not at the corporate level) for Sony's US distribution. Note that there was an English distribution center - and even if burned down, we cannot assume operations by England-based staff have ceased. Since the event occurred in England, and via it's distributions (so far as I currently know), it would seem that the gouging can easily have originated locally. Opening blurb from the BBC News Item: "Record label Sony has apologised for increasing the price of two Whitney Houston albums in the UK, hours after her death on Saturday." Makes it sound like an England-Only event.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If there were an award for shooting yourself in the foot then Sony[^] would undoubtedly win it again this year.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Sony has actually become quite good at shooting themselves in the foot, with all the holes in their feet they’re bound send the bullets through one of the previous holes without further injury. Not exactly a good business model for sure, as I am no longer a purchaser of Sony products, but as it is said “There’s a sucker born every minute”
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Why does your guess immediately turn to blaming it on the US ?
As recent history has shown us, RIAA members (of which Sony belongs) are greedy b*stards who would sell their own grandmother to make a profit. With names like Kelleher, Morris and, Berger it doesn't look like the Japanese are CEOs of the music division. My guess is that Sony Music Entertainment is who would most likely have made the decision to raise the price of a music album. Edit: I don't know who downvoted you, but it most certainly was not me.
More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well. I'd not suspect you of a down-vote on this - we were exchanging comments, and civilly, at that.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well. I'd not suspect you of a down-vote on this - we were exchanging comments, and civilly, at that.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well.
How many points did you lose because of this report? Curious. I gave you a 5 to compensate as there was nothing abusive about your debate.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well. I'd not suspect you of a down-vote on this - we were exchanging comments, and civilly, at that.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well.
How many points did you lose because of this report? Curious. I gave you a 5 to compensate as there was nothing abusive about your debate.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
"On the night of 8 August 2011, the Sony music distribution centre in Enfield, London was destroyed in an arson attack during the 2011 England riots.[34]" Wikipedia 'Sony Music Entertainment' I didn't hear of price gouging (at least not at the corporate level) for Sony's US distribution. Note that there was an English distribution center - and even if burned down, we cannot assume operations by England-based staff have ceased. Since the event occurred in England, and via it's distributions (so far as I currently know), it would seem that the gouging can easily have originated locally. Opening blurb from the BBC News Item: "Record label Sony has apologised for increasing the price of two Whitney Houston albums in the UK, hours after her death on Saturday." Makes it sound like an England-Only event.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
It does sound like an England-Only event. In which case I would be mistaken blaming the US Side of Sony, assuming that they have a UK localized Sony Music Entertainment. All in all doubtful, in my mind at least, that this can go back to the Japanese side of Sony Electronics. That connection is what drew my initial response.
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If there were an award for shooting yourself in the foot then Sony[^] would undoubtedly win it again this year.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
Isn't that the life cycle of all technology companies: 1. Make something everyone likes and have people throw money at you. 2. Don't listen to your customers if the complaints are less than 10% of your user base. 3. Pay bonuses to your salespeople and executives while continuing to give your engineers unrealistic goals. 4. Watch your user base diminish. 5. Watch your best engineers leave. 6. Watch your revenues drop. 7. Watch your profits drop. 8. Soak your remaining loyal user base. 9. Complain about unfair competition. 10. Die (or become irrelevant). Case histories: NEC, Texas Instruments, GeoCities, AOL, Atari, Commodore, Apple (early, mid 1990s), Yahoo, myspace, Netscape, Expedia, Borland, Netflix (this may be premature).
m.bergman
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Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
More interestingly, the gave it the "report as abuse" tag, as well.
How many points did you lose because of this report? Curious. I gave you a 5 to compensate as there was nothing abusive about your debate.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Abuse bangs for -160 pts. Most likely from the mind who is "from between the cheeks" Odd thing is that I've put up some pretty aggressive posts without meriting a vote of abuse. Curiously, I wonder if I also lost points (to the same person) as a down-vote. Are they mutually exclusive.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Abuse bangs for -160 pts. Most likely from the mind who is "from between the cheeks" Odd thing is that I've put up some pretty aggressive posts without meriting a vote of abuse. Curiously, I wonder if I also lost points (to the same person) as a down-vote. Are they mutually exclusive.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I just reported this incident in the Bugs and Sugs forum. Hopefully, it will get some attention.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
RJOberg wrote:
my guess is
Why does your guess immediately turn to blaming it on the US ? Japan's the country that. by dumping, destroyed the US Memory Chip market in the 90's and quadrupled the price. ,Then, when a US corporate consortium nearly finished building a new (and thus more competitive) plant, they mysteriously dropped the prices so low that they non-Japanese based plant became unfeasible. On the other hand, it's illegal to import more than ca. 1 Kilo of rice into Japan - because real imports would hurt their 'traditional' industry (still using oxen to plow the fields). When Kodak was pressured to leave South Africa due to apartheid, Fuji Film moved right in (Japs were considered honorary whites in SA). Japan suck to any but other Japanese: it's been the hallmark of their national culture since always. They're predatory beasts.
using tariffs and import limitations to benefit ones own country, even at the expense of the industries in other countries, is completely ordinary, all over the world, and has been as long as there has been trade between nations.
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RJOberg wrote:
my guess is
Why does your guess immediately turn to blaming it on the US ? Japan's the country that. by dumping, destroyed the US Memory Chip market in the 90's and quadrupled the price. ,Then, when a US corporate consortium nearly finished building a new (and thus more competitive) plant, they mysteriously dropped the prices so low that they non-Japanese based plant became unfeasible. On the other hand, it's illegal to import more than ca. 1 Kilo of rice into Japan - because real imports would hurt their 'traditional' industry (still using oxen to plow the fields). When Kodak was pressured to leave South Africa due to apartheid, Fuji Film moved right in (Japs were considered honorary whites in SA). Japan suck to any but other Japanese: it's been the hallmark of their national culture since always. They're predatory beasts.
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I just reported this incident in the Bugs and Sugs forum. Hopefully, it will get some attention.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)what "incident" ? you don't think calling Japanese "bloodsuckers" and "beasts" might offend some people ?
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what "incident" ? you don't think calling Japanese "bloodsuckers" and "beasts" might offend some people ?
Offensive, yes. Abusive, no. This is my opinion of course but if everyone who got offended or got their feeling hurt, went and reported the offending post as abuse, it wouldn't take long for the Lounge to get real quiet for long periods of time.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
Offensive, yes. Abusive, no. This is my opinion of course but if everyone who got offended or got their feeling hurt, went and reported the offending post as abuse, it wouldn't take long for the Lounge to get real quiet for long periods of time.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Offensive, yes. Abusive, no.
there's quite a big overlap between abuse and offense.
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Why does the phrase 'profiteering buggers' come to mind?
Software Zen:
delete this;Because you think they are profiteering buggers, unless Sony has legal objections to that label?
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Slacker007 wrote:
Offensive, yes. Abusive, no.
there's quite a big overlap between abuse and offense.
Is that overlap worth -160 points a pop? I don't think so. This is not the first time this has happened. If you said something that hurt my feelings and it wasn't abusive, do you deserve to get the -160 point hit? I don't think so.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
Is that overlap worth -160 points a pop? I don't think so. This is not the first time this has happened. If you said something that hurt my feelings and it wasn't abusive, do you deserve to get the -160 point hit? I don't think so.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
Is that overlap worth -160 points a pop?
who cares? why the fnck would anybody worry about that?
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what "incident" ? you don't think calling Japanese "bloodsuckers" and "beasts" might offend some people ?
You're very new to the lounge - and there have been very derogatory testaments made (even in the last few days) about, for example, Gypsies (aka, Romani). And there have been others about others. Certainly a lot of risk of offense going on. Did you give those a go, too? The fact is that the Japanese culture was and is extremely Xenophobic. They might copy western habits, but, from those I know who've visited on a long-term basis, their report was that no non-Japanese person was ever made to feel at home. Several first-person accounts from diverse acquaintances carries some weight with me. They're also busily erasing their culpability for being an initiator of WW II, and glosses/ignores their murderous brutality in China. Beasts hardly describes it. Maybe I just have too many Chinese friends, but I'm not of a mind to give them a 'bye' . Risking another -160 . . . never mind - totally not worth the effort.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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You're very new to the lounge - and there have been very derogatory testaments made (even in the last few days) about, for example, Gypsies (aka, Romani). And there have been others about others. Certainly a lot of risk of offense going on. Did you give those a go, too? The fact is that the Japanese culture was and is extremely Xenophobic. They might copy western habits, but, from those I know who've visited on a long-term basis, their report was that no non-Japanese person was ever made to feel at home. Several first-person accounts from diverse acquaintances carries some weight with me. They're also busily erasing their culpability for being an initiator of WW II, and glosses/ignores their murderous brutality in China. Beasts hardly describes it. Maybe I just have too many Chinese friends, but I'm not of a mind to give them a 'bye' . Risking another -160 . . . never mind - totally not worth the effort.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You're very new to the lounge
:laugh: i've been here since the first week CP went on-line.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
and there have been very derogatory testaments made (even in the last few days) about, for example, Gypsies (aka, Romani). And there have been others about others. Certainly a lot of risk of offense going on.
and i suppose that makes it ok for you ?