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  • S Sentenryu

    This isn't like a hidden bug or the things we usually see over here... I think CP has some people that maybe like that style...

    I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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    That's not "style", but a "preference"; the difference is that one needs arguments, the other doesn't. People who prefer the long naming should try prefixing everything with "global::".

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      I disagree, it's just code, the compiler doesn't care* and it's better to give the next developer too much information rather than too little. But could they have all shared one static instance? How often are these methods called? Are there threading issues? How big do the StringBuilders become? Can you estimate how big? If large, then pre-allocating enough memory or re-using existing instances can eliminate a lot of needless re-allocation. * However, I suspect that when you use the using directive** the compiler must have to spend some additional time looking them up. ** Qualification added for clarification.

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      Sentenryu
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      Actually, it's less time. As the compiler already knows in what namespace the StringBuilder is, he doesn't need to search all the used namespaces... But this difference is imperceptible.

      I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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        That's not "style", but a "preference"; the difference is that one needs arguments, the other doesn't. People who prefer the long naming should try prefixing everything with "global::".

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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        Sentenryu
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        Personally, I always import, unless there is already something with the same name imported. But it's a matter of taste.

        I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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          That's not "style", but a "preference"; the difference is that one needs arguments, the other doesn't. People who prefer the long naming should try prefixing everything with "global::".

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

          prefixing everything with "global::".

          I tried that, briefly.

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          • S Sentenryu

            Actually, it's less time. As the compiler already knows in what namespace the StringBuilder is, he doesn't need to search all the used namespaces... But this difference is imperceptible.

            I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Sentenryu wrote:

            the compiler already knows in what namespace the StringBuilder is

            How?

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            • S Sentenryu

              Personally, I always import, unless there is already something with the same name imported. But it's a matter of taste.

              I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Sentenryu wrote:

              I always import

              But that's not what the using directive does. There is no "import" in C# -- the closest to that is references.

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              • M Manfred Rudolf Bihy

                Just a little reminder: This is the "Hall Of Shame" and not he "Hall Of Bugs". There is no good reason to clutter ones code with superflous repetitions of the namespace prefixing the StringBuilder, except maybe when there is another implementation of StringBuilder floating around. Just my two cents! :)

                "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."

                Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925

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                Sentenryu
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                I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

                I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Sentenryu wrote:

                  I always import

                  But that's not what the using directive does. There is no "import" in C# -- the closest to that is references.

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                  Sentenryu
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                  my teachers always said import here in Brazil, I ended up picking up the habit...

                  I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Sentenryu wrote:

                    the compiler already knows in what namespace the StringBuilder is

                    How?

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                    Sentenryu
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                    You specified it when you wrote System.Text.StringBuilder ...

                    I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                    • S Sentenryu

                      You specified it when you wrote System.Text.StringBuilder ...

                      I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Ah, so perhaps you were agreeing with me. I see now that my statement was unclear and I have added clarification.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Ah, so perhaps you were agreeing with me. I see now that my statement was unclear and I have added clarification.

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                        Sentenryu
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                        Yes yes, I really have bad time expressing this things on languages other than my own... (actually, even in my own language sometimes I've bad times trying to express my self... :( )

                        I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                          prefixing everything with "global::".

                          I tried that, briefly.

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                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                          I tried that, briefly.

                          ..a good idea, if you are paid per line written. It should feel comparably to explicitly stating that a member is "private", and prefixing everything possible with "this".

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                          • S Sentenryu

                            Personally, I always import, unless there is already something with the same name imported. But it's a matter of taste.

                            I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                            Sentenryu wrote:

                            But it's a matter of taste.

                            No, it's not. Bloating code is an offence. Three offences, you're out.

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              I tried that, briefly.

                              ..a good idea, if you are paid per line written. It should feel comparably to explicitly stating that a member is "private", and prefixing everything possible with "this".

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              explicitly stating that a member is "private",

                              Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              prefixing everything possible with "this".

                              Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                explicitly stating that a member is "private",

                                Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                prefixing everything possible with "this".

                                Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

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                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

                                Why?

                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

                                The amount of symbols that you use to convey an idea would best be kept to a minimum.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                                  PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                  Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

                                  Why?

                                  PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                  Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

                                  The amount of symbols that you use to convey an idea would best be kept to a minimum.

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                                  Nagy Vilmos
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                                  No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

                                  class Thingy {
                                  private int majig = 27;

                                  void summit() {
                                      if (majig > 42) {
                                        // clever code
                                      }
                                  }
                                  

                                  }

                                  And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

                                  void nuThang() {
                                      // lots of code
                                      int majig = 69;
                                  
                                      // lots more code
                                      // copied:
                                      if (majig > 42) {
                                        // clever code
                                      }
                                  }
                                  

                                  oops.


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                                    No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

                                    class Thingy {
                                    private int majig = 27;

                                    void summit() {
                                        if (majig > 42) {
                                          // clever code
                                        }
                                    }
                                    

                                    }

                                    And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

                                    void nuThang() {
                                        // lots of code
                                        int majig = 69;
                                    
                                        // lots more code
                                        // copied:
                                        if (majig > 42) {
                                          // clever code
                                        }
                                    }
                                    

                                    oops.


                                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                    Copy/paste is often an invitation not to check what you just pasted. Your example might be a nice example on why we introduced the DRY principle, but being this abstract, one can't be sure. But no, I'd not be bloating my code for the sake of "easy copies". If it's that re-usable, I'll take the time to make it a snippet. --edit;

                                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                    No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity

                                    ..the same kind of ambiguity that you have if you don't use the full name against a type, including it's namespace. Do you have global variables that clash with the names of the property/method that you're calling from the current object that you need to specify explicitly that you need the property/method from "this" object?

                                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                                      No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

                                      class Thingy {
                                      private int majig = 27;

                                      void summit() {
                                          if (majig > 42) {
                                            // clever code
                                          }
                                      }
                                      

                                      }

                                      And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

                                      void nuThang() {
                                          // lots of code
                                          int majig = 69;
                                      
                                          // lots more code
                                          // copied:
                                          if (majig > 42) {
                                            // clever code
                                          }
                                      }
                                      

                                      oops.


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                      Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                      you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity

                                      Correct.

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                                      • S Sentenryu

                                        I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

                                        I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                                        Sentenryu wrote:

                                        I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

                                        :doh: Huh? I don't, read my message again. I don't want the repetitions so I just mentioned the namespace at the top & replaced things.

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                                          I disagree, it's just code, the compiler doesn't care* and it's better to give the next developer too much information rather than too little. But could they have all shared one static instance? How often are these methods called? Are there threading issues? How big do the StringBuilders become? Can you estimate how big? If large, then pre-allocating enough memory or re-using existing instances can eliminate a lot of needless re-allocation. * However, I suspect that when you use the using directive** the compiler must have to spend some additional time looking them up. ** Qualification added for clarification.

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                                          There I mentioned StringBuilder is just an example. I found many similar things like below.

                                          System.Diagnostics.Trace.Write
                                          System.Diagnostics.Trace.WriteLine
                                          System.Drawing.Color
                                          System.Configuration.Configuration
                                          System.IO.StreamWriter
                                          System.IO.StreamReader
                                          System.IO.FileInfo
                                          System.IO.FileStream
                                          System.IO.StringReader
                                          System.IO.StringWriter
                                          System.IO.TextReader
                                          System.IO.TextWriter
                                          System.Xml.XmlDocument
                                          etc.,
                                          ....
                                          ...
                                          ..
                                          .

                                          Why so much repetitions? After that some more 100s of replacements done. Namespace at top.

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