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  • S Simon_Whale

    Anyway would be a good way

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    • V Vasily Tserekh

      which weapon will you choose for a world war conflict supposing the ammo for each one will be the same

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      Kevin Marois
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      First, the ammo for both is not the same. An AK is 7.62x39 and an M16 is 5.56, which is a smaller round. The AK is an assult weapon designed for close in combat and is a piece of crap. It requires constant maintenance if you don't want a to lug around an 11.5 pound hunk of rust. It does however have more stopping power than the M16. It is can be fired semi or full auto. Although the M16A2 is characterized as an "assult rifle", it was really designed for longer engagements and is mostly made of composite materials so it has better resiliency to weather. It is lighter than the AK at 7.8 pounds and fires semi-auto or 3 round burst. This design was supposed to help in accuracy as it elimiates the "spray & pray" factor. See this[^] for a decent comparison.

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      • V Vasily Tserekh

        which weapon will you choose for a world war conflict supposing the ammo for each one will be the same

        The safest way to remain in poverty is to be an honored man. Napoleon Bonaparte

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        charlieg
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        It depends on where in the world. Just had this conversation with a friend of mine. Rather than the WW3, it was more along the lines of a zombie apocolypse situation. In *that* case, and since I live in the USA, I'd go with the M16. Far more law enforcement agencies have standardized on this, so there will be more ammo around. So goes the thought.

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          More reliable wins in my opinion. AK-47 is also easier to clean and to keep clean.

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          Kevin Marois
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          Absolutly wrong. The AK is mostly steel. Steel = rust. The M16 is moslty composite & alluminum. The AK has more parts. That's why the AK is harder to dissasemble for cleaning and hard to keep clean overall than the M16.

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          • L Lost User

            Reminds me of an old joke. A man escapes from prison where he's been locked up for 15 years. He breaks into a house to look for money and guns. Inside he finds a young couple in bed. He orders the guy out of bed and ties him to a chair. While trying the homeowners wife to the bed, the convict gets on top of her, kisser her neck and goes into the bathroom. While he's in there, the husbad whispers over to his wife: "Listen, this guy is an escaped convict. Look at his clothes! he's probably spent a lot of time in jail and hasn't seen a woman in years. I saw how he kissed your neck. If he wants sex don't resist! Don't complain! Do whatever he tells you. Satisfy him no matter how much he nauseates you. This guy is obviously very dangerous. if he gets angry, he'll kill us both. Be Strong. I love you!" His wife responds: "He wasn't kissing my neck. he was whispering in my ear. He told me that he's gay , thinks your cute, and asked if we had any vaseline. I told him it was in the bathroom. Be strong honey. And I love you too!" Don't be so sure they will take the woman over you. It may just be a band of 'merry' men. ;P

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            wizardzz
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            That's actually quite funny.

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            • R RJOberg

              They are interesting, almost no recoil. Was out one day practicing for an IDPA meet and one of the other guys had the semi-auto version. Less than a .22 in my opinion.

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              wizardzz
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              Damn, that's not making me want one any less! I have heard you can shoot the thing one handed like a pistol (as proof of low recoil/not recommended/ etc). What part of the country do you shoot idpa in?

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              • W wizardzz

                That's actually quite funny.

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                Lost User
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                Thank you. I thought so too :)

                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                • W wizardzz

                  Damn, that's not making me want one any less! I have heard you can shoot the thing one handed like a pistol (as proof of low recoil/not recommended/ etc). What part of the country do you shoot idpa in?

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                  RJOberg
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                  Used to compete in Central WI but then I moved to Madison. Not as many places to go shooting here without more drive time involved.

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                  • K Kevin Marois

                    Absolutly wrong. The AK is mostly steel. Steel = rust. The M16 is moslty composite & alluminum. The AK has more parts. That's why the AK is harder to dissasemble for cleaning and hard to keep clean overall than the M16.

                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    I have cleaned both the M16 and the AK 47, and I disagree with you.

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                    • W wizardzz

                      Ever held one? They have one at my gun shop, but I've yet to fire it. Someday... someday...

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      Yes, when I did the army service. Our lieutenant held the opinion that one should know the weapons of the enemy. The M16 was included for fun. Answered the wromg message. :doh: No I haven't, but I would like to.

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                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                        I have cleaned both the M16 and the AK 47, and I disagree with you.

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                        Kevin Marois
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                        Ok

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                        • R RJOberg

                          The reliability of the modern m16 is much better than it was in the original form. However, I do agree with you that the AK-47 is more rugged, easier to clean and upkeep, plus you can pretty much do anything to them and they keep firing. The AK-47 would be my choice as well. Plus if you get a high quality AK variant, they are just as accurate.

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          The ones I've used were old. And the M16 was simply not convincing. While the AK47 was crude but still did its job.

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                          • T TorstenH

                            true, the 5.56 ammo is pretty handsome. But also doesn't affect as much damage as the good old 7.62.

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                            realJSOP
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                            You don't have to kill them - just make them scream out in pain... They'll either drop, run, or die.

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                            • V Vasily Tserekh

                              which weapon will you choose for a world war conflict supposing the ammo for each one will be the same

                              The safest way to remain in poverty is to be an honored man. Napoleon Bonaparte

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                              realJSOP
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                              That's a tough call. If you want it to go bang every time (for while, anyway), I'd go AK. That rifle will shoot while fully submerged in mud. If you want better single-shot accuracy, and the chore of keeping it clean enough to go bang every time, I'd go M16.

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                              • V Vasily Tserekh

                                which weapon will you choose for a world war conflict supposing the ammo for each one will be the same

                                The safest way to remain in poverty is to be an honored man. Napoleon Bonaparte

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                                Vitaly Tomilov
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                                are you planning to start one?

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                                • R Rage

                                  The FAMAS[^].

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                                  TheRealRarius
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                                  Because FAMAS am bestest gun!

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                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    First, the ammo for both is not the same. An AK is 7.62x39 and an M16 is 5.56, which is a smaller round. The AK is an assult weapon designed for close in combat and is a piece of crap. It requires constant maintenance if you don't want a to lug around an 11.5 pound hunk of rust. It does however have more stopping power than the M16. It is can be fired semi or full auto. Although the M16A2 is characterized as an "assult rifle", it was really designed for longer engagements and is mostly made of composite materials so it has better resiliency to weather. It is lighter than the AK at 7.8 pounds and fires semi-auto or 3 round burst. This design was supposed to help in accuracy as it elimiates the "spray & pray" factor. See this[^] for a decent comparison.

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                    realJSOP
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                                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                                    First, the ammo for both is not the same. An AK is 7.62x39 and an M16 is 5.56, which is a smaller round.

                                    BUT, the AR can be chambered for that cartridge by simply changing the upper. The mags are even interchangeable. I'd rather have the 5.56 anyway (mostly because I have 6000 rounds of it already, along with a little more than 3500 rounds of .45ACP)...

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                      Kevin Marois wrote:

                                      First, the ammo for both is not the same. An AK is 7.62x39 and an M16 is 5.56, which is a smaller round.

                                      BUT, the AR can be chambered for that cartridge by simply changing the upper. The mags are even interchangeable. I'd rather have the 5.56 anyway (mostly because I have 6000 rounds of it already, along with a little more than 3500 rounds of .45ACP)...

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                                      Kevin Marois
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                                      Agreed, and I still think the AK is a piece of crap. I'll take one of these[^] though

                                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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