16GB Ought To Be Enough For Anybody
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Dan Neely wrote:
Well, when the VS2012 and Win8 teams inexplicably refused to pick up Intel's latest gauntlet someone had to step up
Hi Dan, I find this a very intriguing statement; if you care to say a few more words about what you mean by this, I would really enjoy being able to read them. thanks, Bill
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Previous versions of windows and visual studio always appear to've taken Moore's Law as a challenge and tried to add enough stuff that the faster hardware didn't result in a faster experience.
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Good to know! I hate when recommendations are listed as requirements.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my dev machine has 256 GB RAM
I just simultaneously puked and shit my pants in disbelief and amazement! :thumbsup:
What's best is that it's all in 128kb memory cards, so he can cook five pizzas on the memory array while processing mid-sized transaction files.
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
AspDotNetDev wrote:
it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle.
You wanted to be iAspDotNetDev. :rolleyes:
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle.
You wanted to be iAspDotNetDev. :rolleyes:
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB.
Meh - I was developing SPS 2013 until a few months ago and my best machine had 12 GB. Now I am developing SAP HANA and my dev machine has 256 GB RAM (not a typo).
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my dev machine has 256 GB RAM (not a typo).
:wtf:
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
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Isn't it odd that you are demanding that a development server installation, run on a laptop?
Isn't it odd that phones are more powerful than desktops were in 1999? Hardware capability is what matters, not form factor. I suppose I could try running it on my home desktop (4GB) or my work desktop (8GB), but I think I'll stick with my laptop (16GB). I've very nearly got it running on Mac OS X in a VirtualBox VM that has Windows Server 2012 installed, but I'm getting some obscure error during the configuration wizard (which is technically after installation). Grumble grumble. I'm beginning to see why people dislike SharePoint so much.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
Just annoyed that any individual program would have such an insane minimum requirement.
Can't argue with that!
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..Did you guys just have a non-flaming argument that involved Apple AND Microsoft? :wtf:
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..Did you guys just have a non-flaming argument that involved Apple AND Microsoft? :wtf:
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
That does suck, but the right tool for the right job. Why would you waste a MacBook pro on a bloated sharepoint server? I would seriously use something cheap you can throw a lot of RAM in. I use the Macbook because of its user interface, smooth multi-touch pad, and the ability to carry around Windows, OSX UNIX, and even Android in one little machine. I think any notebook is probably wasted on sharepoint, just make a cheap desktop. No $2,000 laptop can open a simple beer bottle either, but that doesn't make me lament its limitations and call it crappy, just use the right tool for the right job. Seriously though, good luck making it work right for you! I think some software is just greedy or bloated, like when I found out Photoshop will grab 32GB RAM, "allocating" memory it doesn't need IMHO. I can see a SQL server large db really using double digit RAM but I'm skeptical of some of these other software packages wanting double digit RAM serving or editing 100 MB files for one to a few people.
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Isn't it odd that phones are more powerful than desktops were in 1999? Hardware capability is what matters, not form factor. I suppose I could try running it on my home desktop (4GB) or my work desktop (8GB), but I think I'll stick with my laptop (16GB). I've very nearly got it running on Mac OS X in a VirtualBox VM that has Windows Server 2012 installed, but I'm getting some obscure error during the configuration wizard (which is technically after installation). Grumble grumble. I'm beginning to see why people dislike SharePoint so much.
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
The suggested minimum RAM for a production install of Sharepoint is 50 GB. But this is not about software bloat but rather about levering a small investment in hardware to obtain blindingly fast business intelligence. In-memory column store database analysis is fantastic stuff. And hardware just gets cheaper and cheaper for the bang. I'm not griping.
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
Not sure if this will apply to you, but I've had to do SP development on my mac for several projects now. System specs: 1) using Sharepoint 2010 for development installed on a virtual running Windows 7 2) RAM allocation 4GB. Minimum required 2GB (I believe) recommened at least 4GB. 3) Virtual VMWareFusion (nothing special). To setup SharePoint 2010 on your local you'll need to do a few things, the installment guide + links to required resources can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee554869.aspx[^] Good luck.
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gavindon wrote:
I forgot to mention that I only allow about 4 gig on the vm.. it still works, sharepoint does function fully
Awesome! I'll have to give it a try then. :thumbsup: By the way, what software do you use to host your VMs? I was thinking Hyper-V Client, but then I'd have to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and I'm not sure my Mac's gonna like that. Alternatively, I'll be looking into VMware Player or Workstation. Oh, FYI, I'll be using SharePoint 2013, so not sure if your experience would still hold true, but I'll try it anyway.
I have my Macbook Pro (late 2011) Running Win 8 on the Bootcamp partition fine.... So it is doable..
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I just got a brand new MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM... enough for the most challenging of tasks, I thought. Except the minimum recommended RAM for a SharePoint Server installation used for development (not production) is 24GB. :wtf: I guess there is still some alternative way of developing for SharePoint without needing all that RAM (some Office 365 something or other), but it still makes me cry that the first thing I set a goal to do is something my stupidly expensive new computer can't handle. :|
Why would you expect to run server software on a laptap?
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Not sure if this will apply to you, but I've had to do SP development on my mac for several projects now. System specs: 1) using Sharepoint 2010 for development installed on a virtual running Windows 7 2) RAM allocation 4GB. Minimum required 2GB (I believe) recommened at least 4GB. 3) Virtual VMWareFusion (nothing special). To setup SharePoint 2010 on your local you'll need to do a few things, the installment guide + links to required resources can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee554869.aspx[^] Good luck.
Since I'm working with SharePoint 2013, I'll be following this guide: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/fp179923(v=office.15).aspx I actually was doing those steps yesterday without referring to that guide, and I ran into an error I was unsure of how to solve. I guess I'll try again tonight by following that guide closely.
Member 3187111 wrote:
Virtual VMWareFusion
I just did a search and apparently this will run Windows Server 2012, so that may work. However, SharePoint 2013 requries at least 4 processors (it didn't like when I tried with only 1 processor in VirtualBox), and my Mac only has 4 cores (VirtualBox seems to be able to create virtual cores, while VMware Fusion seems to take up those cores completely), so I'll have to see if I can get this working. I may have to do this from Boot Camp, as when I run Windows it seems to have 8 virtual cores.
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Not sure if this will apply to you, but I've had to do SP development on my mac for several projects now. System specs: 1) using Sharepoint 2010 for development installed on a virtual running Windows 7 2) RAM allocation 4GB. Minimum required 2GB (I believe) recommened at least 4GB. 3) Virtual VMWareFusion (nothing special). To setup SharePoint 2010 on your local you'll need to do a few things, the installment guide + links to required resources can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee554869.aspx[^] Good luck.
Looks like I spoke too soon; it seems Mac OS is indeed running 8 CPU cores. VMware Fusion may work after all.
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Why would you expect to run server software on a laptap?
Because I'm a developer and I have a fairly capable laptop. Not capable enough, according to the minimum "requirements". Luckily, though, it seems these requirements are actually just recommendations (except for the CPU cores... you actually do need 4 or the setup will fail).
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I have my Macbook Pro (late 2011) Running Win 8 on the Bootcamp partition fine.... So it is doable..
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Nice, I may give that a try then. This thread seemed to indicate there were some issues (and Boot Camp doesn't seem to explicitly support Windows 8 yet, though as you say it appears to work anyway). Out of curiosity, did you upgrade your Win7 Boot Camp to Windows 8, or do you do a fresh Boot Camp install with Windows 8?
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Nice, I may give that a try then. This thread seemed to indicate there were some issues (and Boot Camp doesn't seem to explicitly support Windows 8 yet, though as you say it appears to work anyway). Out of curiosity, did you upgrade your Win7 Boot Camp to Windows 8, or do you do a fresh Boot Camp install with Windows 8?
Did a fresh install, including creating the partition with the Mac Tools. Just used the Windows 8 DVD (Burnt a copy from the ISO), instead of the Windows 7 one. Mac Tools seem to validate using the 8 DVD as well, so was straight forward.
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