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What Language Features Do You Miss In C#?

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  • S Single Step Debugger

    Yes I know. We can also implement it in C++ using operator overloading. But the point is for a language future, not a pattern, collection or utility class.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Yet HasSet allows other operations, such as union and intersection; would you argue for syntax to allow every such operation? I wouldn't.

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    • K Kent Sharkey

      Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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      H Brydon
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      What I would like to see in the language: - Destructors that destruct (not the silly Dispose() stuff) [you can easily trigger local garbage collection with an exit from scope] - Ability to use arrays with non-zero origin - inline operator||(), inline operator&&() which implement short circuit logic

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      • K Kent Sharkey

        Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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        Marc Clifton
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        Multiple inheritance. Interfaces are useful as abstractions, but there are times I want to inherit concrete functionality from multiple classes. Marc

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        • K Kent Sharkey

          Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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          Brady Kelly
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          I want lambda expressions, that can be evaluated at compile time, allowed in attributes, to avoid nasty string literals.

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          • K Kent Sharkey

            Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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            Sander Rossel
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            Having a generic type constraint on operators. Something where T : +, -, >, < Or something. Or just provide one easy way to work with numerics, for example: Something where T : numeric After which you can use +, -, >, < etc. by default and T can be int16, int 32, int64, single, byte, double, decimal or an unsigned of those.

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            • K Kent Sharkey

              Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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              Chris C B
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              On error resume next

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                Multiple inheritance. Interfaces are useful as abstractions, but there are times I want to inherit concrete functionality from multiple classes. Marc

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                JeremyBob
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                +1 from me

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                • K Kent Sharkey

                  Sure, it's on another discussion site[^], but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss it here. Personally, while it certainly doesn't fit in the "missing" category, I see them moving it closer and closer to a hybrid C#/JavaScript language with each new version.

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                  m0sa
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                  - aspect oriented programming (PostSharp...) - mixin support - serializable expressions

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                  • M Marc A Brown

                    I would like to see the addition of a keyword to allow fallthrough in a switch statement (maybe "nobreak"?). I don't need/want to do that often, so the compiler preventing "accidental" fallthrough is nice; however, it sure would be nice to be able to fall through when necessary.

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                    Marach
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                    you can type several 'case' statements one after the other. contrived example:

                    int number = GetNumberBetween1And5();
                    string text = null;
                    switch( number ) {
                    case 1:
                    text = "1";
                    break;
                    case 2:
                    case 3:
                    case 4:
                    text = "2 or 3 or 4";
                    break;
                    case 5:
                    text = "5";
                    break;
                    }

                    is that type of fall-through what you said you're missing?

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      A goto case is not a goto. But, yes, I don't like break in a switch; in my opinion break should only be for loops only.

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      I agree - it isn't. But...it is a out-of-structure code flow indicator, which can easily create the same spaghetti code as a goto. So on balance, while I found the no-drop-through rule limiting at first, I don't miss it so much now. I just restructure the code to not need it in the same way that I don't need goto itself. And I definitely agree on break - the switch version should have used a different word: "esac" or "join" perhaps.

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                      • E Espen Harlinn

                        You certainly go straight to The Heart of Everything[^]

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                        Because I have A Dangerous Mind[^] :-D

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                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                          Having a #thread block similar to the #region one except it makes that part of the code threaded and only within a single function. :)

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                          Sentenryu
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                          like this[^]?

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                          • P Paulo Zemek

                            In my case, actually, for every Foo<T> I also have an IFoo where the parameters are as object instead of T. I think java have such feature (I know, in java the implementation is completely different)... I think they use: Foo<?> to say that they don't know the type being used. It is slower than having it rightly typed, but it is faster than having it as dynamic or through reflection.

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                            Sentenryu
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                            why the heck you just don't use a generic method?

                            public void DoGenericStuff(Foo foo)
                            {
                            ....
                            }

                            I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              Method-scoped variables like in VB (static). Defining Extension Methods by applying the Attribute like in VB (rather than this). A proper assignment operator like in Pascal := :-D A proper define directive like in C/C++ # define Pi 3.14 Support for enum in where clauses for generic types -- class C<T> where T : enum ... No default modifiers (public, private, virtual, sealed, etc.). Multiple Inheritence would be good too.

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                              Sentenryu
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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              A proper assignment operator like in Pascal :=:-D
                               
                              A proper define directive like in C/C++ # define Pi 3.14 ... Multiple Inheritence would be good too.

                              if any of thouse got added i would be sooo mad, i alread have too much bad code to deal even without those...

                              I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241

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                              • H H Brydon

                                What I would like to see in the language: - Destructors that destruct (not the silly Dispose() stuff) [you can easily trigger local garbage collection with an exit from scope] - Ability to use arrays with non-zero origin - inline operator||(), inline operator&&() which implement short circuit logic

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                                Sentenryu
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                                H.Brydon wrote:

                                Destructors that destruct (not the silly Dispose() stuff) [you can easily trigger local garbage collection with an exit from scope]

                                I couldn't agree more.

                                I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241

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                                • B Brady Kelly

                                  I want lambda expressions, that can be evaluated at compile time, allowed in attributes, to avoid nasty string literals.

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                                  Sentenryu
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                                  that's not allowed with an Expression parameter?

                                  I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241

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                                  • T thrakazog

                                    My answer is always multiple inheritance. Times that I would use it are rare. But when those times come up man do I ever want that.

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                                    Plugin support is always an issue with C#. You can't use User Controls inside a Console Application, which makes that coding needs to be done each class. C++ holds great support for adding plugins for extra code (.h files sepcifically are useful) but in the end, you can't blame Microsoft for their .NET approach to everything, The time of a CLI is dead (Except PowerShell, IMO)

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                                      like this[^]?

                                      I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241

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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      Nice! Although one difference in my envisioned approach would be that I could potentially have sequential or embded #thread blocks within the same function. With this, you have to make each thread a function as opposed to using it in a for or while loop, for example.

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                                      • M Marach

                                        you can type several 'case' statements one after the other. contrived example:

                                        int number = GetNumberBetween1And5();
                                        string text = null;
                                        switch( number ) {
                                        case 1:
                                        text = "1";
                                        break;
                                        case 2:
                                        case 3:
                                        case 4:
                                        text = "2 or 3 or 4";
                                        break;
                                        case 5:
                                        text = "5";
                                        break;
                                        }

                                        is that type of fall-through what you said you're missing?

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                                        Marc A Brown
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                                        I already knew about (and use) that type of fallthrough (but thanks for pointing it out anyway). I'm talking about a case (no pun intended) where you have an action to perform in two cases that requires some kind of setup in one of the cases but not the other.

                                        switch(whichAction)
                                        {
                                        case Actions.ActionWithSetup:
                                        DoSetup();
                                        case Actions.Action:
                                        DoAction();
                                        break;
                                        }

                                        In this example, in the one case, DoSetup is performed, followed by DoAction; in the other case only DoAction is performed. You can do this in C (and Java as I recall) but not in C#. I'm fine with the language not allowing the fallthrough to happen unintentionally but think there should be a keyword to allow it. For example:

                                        switch(whichAction)
                                        {
                                        case Actions.ActionWithSetup:
                                        DoSetup();
                                        nobreak;
                                        case Actions.Action:
                                        DoAction();
                                        break;
                                        }

                                        I realize that in my example I could simply call DoAction in both cases (and that's what I would do, given the C# limitation); and I also understand that if I've got a block of code in the second case, I can break it out into a separate method and call that method in both cases (which again is what I would do); however, if it's a really small block of code, I don't necessarily want to create a new method for it or duplicate the code.

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                                        • M Marc A Brown

                                          I already knew about (and use) that type of fallthrough (but thanks for pointing it out anyway). I'm talking about a case (no pun intended) where you have an action to perform in two cases that requires some kind of setup in one of the cases but not the other.

                                          switch(whichAction)
                                          {
                                          case Actions.ActionWithSetup:
                                          DoSetup();
                                          case Actions.Action:
                                          DoAction();
                                          break;
                                          }

                                          In this example, in the one case, DoSetup is performed, followed by DoAction; in the other case only DoAction is performed. You can do this in C (and Java as I recall) but not in C#. I'm fine with the language not allowing the fallthrough to happen unintentionally but think there should be a keyword to allow it. For example:

                                          switch(whichAction)
                                          {
                                          case Actions.ActionWithSetup:
                                          DoSetup();
                                          nobreak;
                                          case Actions.Action:
                                          DoAction();
                                          break;
                                          }

                                          I realize that in my example I could simply call DoAction in both cases (and that's what I would do, given the C# limitation); and I also understand that if I've got a block of code in the second case, I can break it out into a separate method and call that method in both cases (which again is what I would do); however, if it's a really small block of code, I don't necessarily want to create a new method for it or duplicate the code.

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                                          Marach
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                                          Thanks for elaborating, I understand now. And I agree that C# language should have some construct like the suggested one to allow the fall-through.

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