The team effort
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A submarine is still a submarine even if it isn't underwater. Therefore all ships are submarines :~
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... and therefore we are all submarines (even if we are not under water - we are able to be).
cheers Marco Bertschi
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FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler
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This could become the most pointless argument ever waged on the internet - which would be some achievement.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
And the fact that it happened here makes it even more remarkable. :rolleyes:
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
The Bhai wrote:
As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers.
You need to ask Farouk about that.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
What? so gat people wear their undies back-to-front? you learn something every day on the interwebz!
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A submarine is still a submarine even if it isn't underwater. Therefore all ships are submarines :~
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
potential submarines surely
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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... and therefore we are all submarines (even if we are not under water - we are able to be).
cheers Marco Bertschi
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FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler
Can't fault the logic: +5
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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I think it is more accurate to say that the Team members are the ones who plot the course, navigate the boat, steer it to the destination while overcoming any obstacles and extreme weather on the way. The manager is the one who thinks he is on a Train.
The Bhai wrote:
the Team members are the ones who plot the course, navigate the boat, steer it to the destination
That's only an illusion... :sigh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
rowing crew,
Dalek Dave wrote:
Is there an engineer
Why would you need an engineer on a rowing boat?
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
:laugh: Leave it to the denizens of the CP lounge to be divisive about team work. I haven’t had such a good laugh in some time, this is a great thread. +5 for starting the conversation. :thumbsup:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
Perfect :)
Aamir Shahzad Web Designer/Developer.
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This could become the most pointless argument ever waged on the internet - which would be some achievement.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
I think you underestimate the whole internet
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Dalek Dave wrote:
rowing crew,
Dalek Dave wrote:
Is there an engineer
Why would you need an engineer on a rowing boat?
The Bhai wrote:
Why would you need an engineer on a rowing boat?
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The Bhai wrote:
As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers.
You need to ask Farouk about that.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
PHS241 wrote:
You need to ask Farouk about that.
What does Freddie Mercury have to do with this?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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PHS241 wrote:
You need to ask Farouk about that.
What does Freddie Mercury have to do with this?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I refer you to the all knowing[^]and the second paragraph "deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to “a constructor of military engines.” Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
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Don't forget, me hearties, oooooh, aaaaaaargh, that a boat might belong to her cap'n but the lifeboats belong to her crew.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Wikipedia isn't always correct.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Farouk All
Farrokh is the correct spelling of his name. I wasn't too far off and as I was on going from memory I'm not disappointed.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Sounds like I want to be on your ship. Could be quite peaceful with little rowing to be done.
Jan Steyn wrote:
. Could be quite peaceful with little rowing to be done
Or to spend more time here... :-D
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
My concept of "manager" is like the story told by Covey in The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, a true story apparently: It was a dark and stormy night. Crewmember: “Captain, Captain, wake up.” Captain: “Well?” Crewmember: “Sorry to wake you, sir, but we have a serious problem.” Captain: “Well what is it?” Crewmember: “There’s a ship in our sea lane about twenty miles away, and they refuse to move.” Captain: “What do you mean they refuse to move? Just tell them to move.” Crewmember: “Sir, we have told them; they will not move.” Captain: “I’ll tell them.” The signal goes out: “Move starboard 20 degrees.” The signal returns: “Move starboard yourself 20 degrees.” Captain: “I can’t believe this. Well, I mean I’m a captain. Let them know who I am. I’m important.” Signal goes out: “This is Captain Horatio Hornblower XXVI, commanding you to move starboard 20 degrees at once.” Signal returns: “This is Seaman Carl Jones II, commanding you to move starboard 20 degrees at once.” Captain: “What arrogance? I mean, what presumption? Here is a seaman commanding me, a captain. We could just blow them right out of the water. We could just let them know who we are. Signal: “This is the Mighty Missouri, flag ship of the 7th fleet.” The signal returns: “This is the lighthouse.” In my experience, this is the typical relationship between team members and managers. And more often than not, the managers don't turn the ship in time before striking the lighthouse, even though every one of their team members is donning life vests. Marc
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