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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    How big was your sample? And who did you use as a control group? Your personal feeling that "most scientists are arrogant and full of themselves" probably says more about you than it does about scientists. I feel the same way about religionists, but that doesn't mean I can assume they're all members of the WBC!


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    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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    Well, you've probably a point there. Being rather myopic aren't I? Still it is a general impression that a lot of people have. Not that that validates anything.

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      :laugh: I love the Granpa comment! :thumbsup:

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      Septimus Hedgehog
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      There were some good ones. The one "Do they still suck meat off the bone" amused me.

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      • A AZAD CHOUHAN

        I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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        I don't know about you, but I am. :sigh: “It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.” ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

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        • J Johnny J

          AZAD CHOUHAN wrote:

          are we alone in this universe

          Not at all, I have several collegues sitting right next to me as I write. You needn't worry about being left all alone with me! What you SHOULD be worried about is being left all alone with DD! ;P

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          Johnny J. wrote:

          You needn't worry about being left all alone with me!

          Are you sure about that? :laugh:

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          • A AZAD CHOUHAN

            I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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            Even religious types don't assume humans are the only intelligent life form that exists: they figure a creator exists who by definition can't be human. (Whether they see it like that or not is up to them) From a scientific point of view, it would be very egocentric to assume we were - if would make our little, tiny corner of the universe "special" and we have been trying to avoid assuming that for millennia. In fact, most of our most important discoveries about the universe stem precisely from refusing to believe we are in a "special place" and working out what that means about the rest of it.

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              I don't know about you, but I am. :sigh: “It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.” ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

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              +5 from one product of a deranged imagination to another!

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              • J Johnny J

                But it can hardly be intelligent life - We don't even have that here! ;P

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                Johnny J. wrote:

                But it can hardly be intelligent life - We don't even have that here!

                I disagree! They are intelligent enough not to talk with us. :rolleyes:

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                • L Lost User

                  Intelligent human life is not alone, we have the Americans for company.

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                  PB 369,783 wrote:

                  Intelligent human life is not alone, we have the Americans for company.

                  But: Is there intelligent live out there? ;)

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                  • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                    I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    Given that we are still discovering new species and life on our own planet, I can't imagine that the universe is not full of an incredible plethora of life. Marc

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                    • L Lost User

                      It's funny you should ask this question. I was on Altros 5 the other day and some of the Miggles were discussing this same issue... Oh, wait... I've said too much.

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                      Shush!!! The Grand Bobbitt will get upset with us if we let the humans know we're here

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                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                        How big was your sample? And who did you use as a control group? Your personal feeling that "most scientists are arrogant and full of themselves" probably says more about you than it does about scientists. I feel the same way about religionists, but that doesn't mean I can assume they're all members of the WBC!


                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                        GuyThiebaut
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                        Richard Deeming wrote:

                        that doesn't mean I can assume they're all members of the WBC!

                        They do use the vernacular rather too much and I understand that their UK branch has posters saying 'God hates cigarettes' - kind of makes sense in the UK, what with health and safety and everything...

                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                        • G GuyThiebaut

                          Richard Deeming wrote:

                          that doesn't mean I can assume they're all members of the WBC!

                          They do use the vernacular rather too much and I understand that their UK branch has posters saying 'God hates cigarettes' - kind of makes sense in the UK, what with health and safety and everything...

                          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                          I understand God also hates footstools[^] and 18th century French hairstyles[^].


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                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Even religious types don't assume humans are the only intelligent life form that exists: they figure a creator exists who by definition can't be human. (Whether they see it like that or not is up to them) From a scientific point of view, it would be very egocentric to assume we were - if would make our little, tiny corner of the universe "special" and we have been trying to avoid assuming that for millennia. In fact, most of our most important discoveries about the universe stem precisely from refusing to believe we are in a "special place" and working out what that means about the rest of it.

                            The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)

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                            Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpr8YA-rOpA[^]


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                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                              Not only are we alone, but YOU are alone in the universe! All of what you see, feel, hear, taste and experience is all due to your imagination. If you wake up, we'll all disappear!

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                              Yeah... Wake up NEO, please leave the matrix! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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                              • realJSOPR realJSOP

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                                • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                                  I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                                  No: highly unlikely. Will we ever find out if they exist/meet them? Not at present: we don't have the technology to reach another star in a single life time. Have they visited us here already? Again, unlikely but possible. The upshot of all this and the true answer to your question: we are all alone.

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                                  • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                                    I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                                    The chances of life evolving on any given planet are extremely small. So many factors need to within the right ranges; temperature, humidity, radiation levels, etc. However, it is is possible - we have at least one confirmed instance as proof. When you look at the low chances you may be put off but think of how common even a one in a billion chance is when you take into account several trillion occurrences. I had a consultant working for me who said a particular bug would only occur once in a million times and so wasn't important... until I pointed out that the particular code in question was executed several million times a week so the bug was almost guaranteed to occur several times a week! There is, under current theories, an infinite universe. Therefore there are an infinite number of potential galaxies containing millions of stars, some planets in orbit around said stars, some of those planets capable of sustaining life and some of those actually having life. Yeah! We have life - almost guaranteed (statistically)! Now think how long it took us to get to the Moon (despite what DD says). Not just the few days in travelling there, but the research and political maneuvering required to make the attempt in the first place. Then think of how long it took to get robots on Mars. Travelling from one place to another in space is slow and difficult (and very dangerous). Assuming we can develop some kind of space travel that lets us travel to distant stars, in could take years or decades to reach just the nearest ones, centuries to find one capable of sustaining life - and then more centuries to report back that "Hey, we found some funny slug-like things about the size of a house cat - and they speak some dialect of French!" ...or more likely, "Hey, we found some ancient fossils of some funny slug-like things that must have been here a few million years ago!". Not only are the chances of finding an actual civilisation, capable of interaction, still in existence, not immediately hostile to "aliens form outer space" (us), remote. They are infinitesimal. As are their chances of finding us during the period of time we exist as a civilisation (in the broadest sense) overlapping their period of existence. However, I still live in hope that one day, friendly aliens with amazing technology and a willingness to give spaceship rides will show up and say "Hi".

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                                      No: highly unlikely. Will we ever find out if they exist/meet them? Not at present: we don't have the technology to reach another star in a single life time. Have they visited us here already? Again, unlikely but possible. The upshot of all this and the true answer to your question: we are all alone.

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                                      "Have they visited us here already? Again, unlikely but possible." If you would do some research with an unbiased mind you would see that there is plenty of evidence that suggests that Earth has been (is being) visited by extraterrestrial beings.

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                                        Hopefully he'll return to a planet run by damn dirty apes!


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                                        • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                                          I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                                          I watched a Lady Gaga performance lately and can confirm that we are definitely not alone.

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