If Bill Clinton runs now, will he win?
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About the republican bit: I read a book by Michael Moore (stupid white men) www.amazon.com[^]and I was really surprised at how far right even Bill Clinton was :omg: (the book's mostly about the current administration but Mr Clinton doesn't get away with anything) . Bill Clinton seems to be well-regarded in the rest of the world and it is a bit of an eye-opener to see how people feel about him in the US. www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.
adamUK wrote: I read a book by Michael Moore (stupid white men) You realize that Michael Moore is from the extreme left fringe of america. He hardly represents an unbiased viewpoint.
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Can I ask why? From an outsider point of view he seems to have done a lot more for the us that any other president of recent times.... especially on the economic side of things... Well.. ok.. mightn't have been him personally but during his "reign" the US made leads and bounds economically. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger WrightBrian Delahunty wrote: Can I ask why? I think a lot of people are stuck into the two partys that dominate politics over here. So it almost follows that the people who loved Cliton will hate Bush and vice-versa. For some reason it is ingraned that members of one party will always denagrate the members of the other partys regardless of the truth or hypocrisy. Brian Delahunty wrote: especially on the economic side of things Many "hardcore" republicans here attribute all of the economic succes of the 90s to the polices begun by the republicans under Regan and Bush I. While the natural argument for the democrats on the other side is that "the proof is in the pudding." All in all I find it odd that people choose to follow either of the partys. From my observations, they are both the same when it comes down to acting on their campaign promises or platforms. But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. - Yeats
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Jon Sagara wrote: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Well, maybe he really didn't.
I was going to respond, but Tim Smith said what I wanted to say. Jon Sagara Hi! I'm Melanoma, Moley Russell's wart. -- Uncle Buck
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Can I ask why? From an outsider point of view he seems to have done a lot more for the us that any other president of recent times.... especially on the economic side of things... Well.. ok.. mightn't have been him personally but during his "reign" the US made leads and bounds economically. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger WrightThe problem is Bill didn't do anything during his presidency. The recovery started prior to his presidency and the current recession started during his presidency. The bulk of the economic growth started when the republicans took both houses back. But they really didn't do much either. It was more psychological than anything else. Then you had the huge internet boom than *snicker* Gore invented. Lots of things went right for Clinton. He did a lot of talking, but never really did anything. He would always talk about all these new great proposals and never do them. He helped to get Khato going but never really intended on passing it. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Chris Austin wrote: He was entertaining but, W is aslo o so funny. Ok... so do you pick your president by deciding who's the funniest??? :omg: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger WrightBrian Delahunty wrote: Ok... so do you pick your president by deciding who's the funniest??? No. I pick a canidate who's platform most agrees with my values or needs. I think the last 4 presidents have been jackasses. Also, the question was about a completly unlikely scenario. I was simply making light of the fact that our choices for president were Dumb and Dumber. But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. - Yeats
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Brian Delahunty wrote: Can I ask why? I think a lot of people are stuck into the two partys that dominate politics over here. So it almost follows that the people who loved Cliton will hate Bush and vice-versa. For some reason it is ingraned that members of one party will always denagrate the members of the other partys regardless of the truth or hypocrisy. Brian Delahunty wrote: especially on the economic side of things Many "hardcore" republicans here attribute all of the economic succes of the 90s to the polices begun by the republicans under Regan and Bush I. While the natural argument for the democrats on the other side is that "the proof is in the pudding." All in all I find it odd that people choose to follow either of the partys. From my observations, they are both the same when it comes down to acting on their campaign promises or platforms. But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. - Yeats
the democrats on the other side is that "the proof is in the pudding." And they are correct. The recovery started during Bush's administration and the current recession started during Clinton's administration. :) Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Hell no! On second thought...never underestimate the voting populace. After all, the District of Columbia re-elected Mayor Marion Barry. http://jobs.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/dc/barry/barry.htm[^]
Never understood how the hell he was even eligible for election, let alone actually won. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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adamUK wrote: I read a book by Michael Moore (stupid white men) You realize that Michael Moore is from the extreme left fringe of america. He hardly represents an unbiased viewpoint.
Michel Savage has an extreme right fringe book explaining why GWB is not republican enought
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the democrats on the other side is that "the proof is in the pudding." And they are correct. The recovery started during Bush's administration and the current recession started during Clinton's administration. :) Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
LOL! Both sides need new arguments. I guess we will just need to wait until W is out of office get some new fodder. But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. - Yeats
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Michel Savage has an extreme right fringe book explaining why GWB is not republican enought
That's nice, however AdamUK wasn't reading that book to learn about US politics.
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Its people like you who reelected the idiot in the first place. He will go down in history right there with that other Democrat stalwart - Jimmy ( I can build a house ) Carter. Two completly different people - one who would lie to the Pope and the other who probably never told a lie in his life. Just that neither one could run a country - one relied on polls and the other on the Bible. Richard I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein
Its people like you who reelected the idiot in the first place. I wasn't old enough to vote at the time and I wouldn't have voted for Clinton anyway. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies
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adamUK wrote: I read a book by Michael Moore (stupid white men) You realize that Michael Moore is from the extreme left fringe of america. He hardly represents an unbiased viewpoint.
He doesn't come across as unbiased... That is true. He did seem a like one of those people that sits on the fringe... I get more perspective from here at CP about what, er, more normal people think of the political situation here. Still, it's good to hear viewpoints from the edge of politics.. still, haven't read anything from the other republican fringe...yet anyroads. Currently reading: 'Caught Inside' by Daniel Duane.. it's about surfing and much more my cup of tea... Adam. www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.
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Unless the President dies and the VP soon follows... :wtf: Sec. General's next in line I think. (which may prevent Clinton from eveen holding that office) - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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Presidents really don't have much free time to themselves. Even their vacations are usually filled with work. There are also a very limited number of camera ops. You have speeches, bill signings (for show), helicopter pad shots, and shots from Camp David or their normal residence. (FYI: you might be seeing shots from Camp David and thinking they are the ranch. He does like to go to his ranch a lot. But it isn't practical to go there on a regular basis. Camp David has long been a second residence for the president to get away from Washington for a weekend.) As far as office hours go, I doubt there is such a thing. As far as flaming goes, nah. Presidential vacations have long been a source for "see, he doesn't care about the country" type political fodder. It is mostly ignored these days. :) Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Especially when its a 24 hour job. You can't fault the guy for wanting to take a "couple of days off" and spend them at his home. But you're right, even when he's there he is having foreign officials visit him and doing regular "guy" stuff. "Honey, the trees need trimming" :)
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Well, maybe he really didn't. Maybe, just maybe, she saw an opportunity to make a quick million selling her story to the tabloid. After all, who would the sensationalist public believe - the president or some trumped up tart*? Not that that ever happens of course. :suss: * she became a tart the moment she sold herself out In all honesty though who gives (or gave) a damn? Unless you somehow think him guilty of some great sin that somehow has an effect on you (I'm not going to mention the 'R' word here because there could be other reasons) all he is guilty of is lying about an adulterous activity - like about 95% of the people so eager to bring him down at the time. I wonder how many times the prominent figures that called for his blood have seen the inside of a cheap motel room, or a classy hotel room, with your money, for example. To treat as a criminal investigation was to deny the presidential family their basic right to privacy. I never did understand what the whole point was, but then I never saw the point behind the more recent Diana's Butler 'scandal' (or Diana for that matter), the whole Peter Mandelson 'scandal', or that thing with Blair's wife and that Aussie con man -- sorry, that Aussie con man 'scandal'. That's news? :wtf:
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The guy lied to the public David. That is what counts. He should have told the truth, gone to marriage counselling with Hillary and got on with the job.
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Cape Town, South AfricaRoger Wright wrote: (on the matter of not buying French products) But French Poodles make the best tacos!
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Can I ask why? From an outsider point of view he seems to have done a lot more for the us that any other president of recent times.... especially on the economic side of things... Well.. ok.. mightn't have been him personally but during his "reign" the US made leads and bounds economically. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger WrightBrian Delahunty wrote: Can I ask why? Clinton is a perfect example of the American Socialist left. I am one of those who beleives that most of the economic gains of the '90s were due more to Ronald Reagan and not Clinton. The economic reforms of Reagan, and his management of the end of the cold war, contributed to an economic/hightech boom that was poised to happen at that time. Many Americans (probably most) do not want to live in a socialist state. Bill Clinton was never anything more than a lieing, whoreing good 'ol boy trying to get his name in the history books by extending the socialistic reforms of FDR to a new era. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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The problem is Bill didn't do anything during his presidency. The recovery started prior to his presidency and the current recession started during his presidency. The bulk of the economic growth started when the republicans took both houses back. But they really didn't do much either. It was more psychological than anything else. Then you had the huge internet boom than *snicker* Gore invented. Lots of things went right for Clinton. He did a lot of talking, but never really did anything. He would always talk about all these new great proposals and never do them. He helped to get Khato going but never really intended on passing it. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Ok.. It could just be that Bill Clinton done an awful lot for Ireland that makes me think he done a lot for the US. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Run naked in the snow until you're sweating like a stuck pig and can't seem to catch your breath. When the flu becomes pneumonia, they can cure that with a shot. - Roger Wright -
Presidents really don't have much free time to themselves. Even their vacations are usually filled with work. There are also a very limited number of camera ops. You have speeches, bill signings (for show), helicopter pad shots, and shots from Camp David or their normal residence. (FYI: you might be seeing shots from Camp David and thinking they are the ranch. He does like to go to his ranch a lot. But it isn't practical to go there on a regular basis. Camp David has long been a second residence for the president to get away from Washington for a weekend.) As far as office hours go, I doubt there is such a thing. As far as flaming goes, nah. Presidential vacations have long been a source for "see, he doesn't care about the country" type political fodder. It is mostly ignored these days. :) Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Ofcourse, I was responding to Stan's "he did it on my time" argument. :-) My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers