Question: Language Barrier
-
Why didn't you say so! I have gotten into it with SAK over language issues (see here). He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions. In any event, he's a great help to the site... I'd just let him keep doing his thing.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
-
No, you don't get it, so, I'm going to go ahead and turn up my sarcasm a few notches. OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! /sarcasm (Btw, that comes with a side of DERP, no sarcasm here, you're literally DERP.) Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny. (Again, I'm serious, you're puppet funny at best, which isn't funny at all, do you hear me Jeff Dunham, do you???) But hey, I'll work with you. I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!! /sarcasm You'll love it, it's your kind of humor. ;) (Note the wink, hinting to the joke at your expense.) ---- (Edit: Apparently I didn't turn up my sarcasm enough, because, well, see the reply... It's sad folks.) (Edit2: Wow, I had to literally add /sarcasm tags and annotations, because, they were necessary, apparently... Kind of ruins the effect, I think, but, whatever, my audience is a bit, slow.)
Joe_Dert wrote:
OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! (This comes with a side of DERP, btw.)
What are you? 10?
Joe_Dert wrote:
Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny.
Others thought I was. I thought I was. You didn't. You're in a minority of one. Enjoy.
Joe_Dert wrote:
But hey, I'll work with you.
No, I don't think so.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!!
That's the best you got? Really? You won't last long here.
Joe_Dert wrote:
You'll love it, it's your kind of humor.
:zzz:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
-
AspDotNetDev wrote:
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
I didn't say that. But I didn't not say that either. ;)
-
If you just look at Indian software folks, Telugu may be the best language to use :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com The life of a Malayalee American - by Nish
An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
One of my Indian coworkers speaks that!
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford Emmanuel Medina Lopez
-
Joe_Dert wrote:
You can do whatever you want in your own topics, have fun, I'm not the fun police.
This is my topic, respect it, and me.Wrong. I exist to piss in the corn flakes of twat whiners who post here.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin, to be honest buddy, I don't think there's anything you write that is completely off topic and I've actually come to like what you write. To be honest, if wifey and I ever get back to Oz on vacation I'll be happy to buy you a case of beer of your choice. I'd help you finish it or rather I'd be nursing my first while you're wiping the froth from your 23rd. As long as you don't piss in my corn flakes. :-D
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
-
See, this is what I'm talking about. No one criticized your people, and for that matter who the f*ck are you? As for needing aid, who doesn't, the world isn't perfect, everyone just does their best to get by, you aren't as special as you seem to think you are. I'm sorry, but, I've lived a pretty tough life myself, I've been homeless, isolated, hungry, etc,. (I'm honestly, about a year away from stuffing a gun in mouth and pulling the trigger, so, really, f*ck you.)
-
One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
-
Joe_Dert wrote:
don't act like you know me.
I'm not.
Joe_Dert wrote:
This whole topic is about:
People who try to argue\debate in languages that they don't understand well enough to be doing so.No, it's about you being an arrogant so and so.
Use the best guess
Explain how I was being arrogant? I'm 100% serious, you've simply misunderstood something that I've said. (Perhaps it's more of this wonderful humor I keep hearing about on these forums. ?) In any case, I get the feeling you think I'm insulting foreigners, but, that's just not the case, my family is from England\Ireland, my roots, I mean, I was born in America, and I have friends of all races, and colors, sexual preferences, you name it. I'm the most accepting guy you'll ever meet. This topic, for THE MILLIONTH time, is about answering a very simple question: When a foreigner, SHOWS CLEAR SIGNS of not 'truly' understanding English during a debate\argument\conversation\etc, what should I do?
-
Joe_Dert wrote:
Do, you see where I'm coming from?
Let me guess... USA? :-D Because in India, we say 'Do you understand me?' (in 24 fame Jack Bauer tone). OK so apart from the lame joke... How do you suggest these people with limited English language skill will improve when you don't want them talking. I think the best way to learn a language is to use it / apply it. I understand sometimes it is difficult to deal with certain people, but you are not talking to them in person right? You can always ignore them. You always have complete control on the debate, you can always make it stop from your end.
Joe_Dert wrote:
they just stupid, international trolls,
Trust me, people with better control over English language are much more difficult to deal with when they are trolling. And I am guessing you are new here, (you are here since 3 years but just started contributing.) be patient and you will get over these silly things... :)
Remind Me This - Manage, Collaborate and Execute your Project in the Cloud
You're only hearing what you want to hear.
Quote:
How do you suggest these people with limited English language skill will improve when you don't want them talking.
Practice, but, hear me, listen well, and understand. I might want to juggle chainsaws for living, but, I'm going to work up to that. (Maybe start with some tennis balls or something.) In the same fashion, it would be wise to not get yourself into debates, which are the highest form of language based human interactions until you have the language skills to be doing so. (There are debate clubs, presidential debates, scientific debates, but, a debate between two people who can't understand each other, is just, ridiculous.) That's all I was saying. Look, it's not always that simple, you see, they usually act normally at first, and it's fine, but then, they seem to ALWAYS take some innocent comment, that NO American would even care about as the f*cking starting pistol for Armageddon. It's jarring, barely passable English, starts rapidly declining, as they get angrier, and angrier. (So, it's very hard to tell, when to pull out, are they just mad, or unable to understand the language properly?) It's not always as simple as people make it sound, these are dynamic human beings, not static code, you can't predict them, or always tell what's really happening.
-
To be fair, most English speaking folks don't understand what they're arguing about either.
-
Joe_Dert wrote:
OMFG!!! He pretended to be foreign, HOW F*CKING HILARIOUS!!!! LOLOL!L!!!! (This comes with a side of DERP, btw.)
What are you? 10?
Joe_Dert wrote:
Look, if you want to make me laugh, try being funny.
Others thought I was. I thought I was. You didn't. You're in a minority of one. Enjoy.
Joe_Dert wrote:
But hey, I'll work with you.
No, I don't think so.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I've got an idea for a good joke myself, I'll make an ALT count, pretend to be a girl, make you fall in love with me, and then, when we finally meet, I'll be like, GOTCHA!!!
That's the best you got? Really? You won't last long here.
Joe_Dert wrote:
You'll love it, it's your kind of humor.
:zzz:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
Seriously? How high do I need to turn up my sarcasm before it register in that tiny little brain of yours?
Quote:
What are you? 10?
That was the joke stupid, I was making fun of you... (I even explained that I was about to be REALLY sarcastic.) But, you raise a good question, Are you 10, because that's about the only people who would find his joke funny. (I think you've been in the office, for WAY too long, go outside buddy, maybe watch some comedies, and fix that awful sense of humor of yours.)
Quote:
That's the best you got? Really? You won't last long here.
My lord, you're stupid beyond belief. (That was a lame play, on the original joke, which was also lame, again, I was making fun of you.)
-
One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
Joe_Dert wrote:
However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you.
I can't recall that problem. Normally when there is an extreme language challenge that by itself clouds all other issues - thus there is no argument about other ideas. When the other speaker is fairly fluent then arguing the point has little to do with comprehension.
Joe_Dert wrote:
Do, you see where I'm coming from?
Nope. I have posted a lot over the years. And had a lot of arguments. I can't recall ever seeing this problem.
Joe_Dert wrote:
until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations.
Naturally the latter has nothing to do with the former.
Joe_Dert wrote:
What do you guys think?
I would like to see an example.
-
Yes, I did. He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution. But, he had little to do with this topic, he's a minor fraction of the problem.
Joe_Dert wrote:
He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution.
Presuming all that is true - what does any of that have to do with a lack of language comprehension?
-
You're only hearing what you want to hear.
Quote:
How do you suggest these people with limited English language skill will improve when you don't want them talking.
Practice, but, hear me, listen well, and understand. I might want to juggle chainsaws for living, but, I'm going to work up to that. (Maybe start with some tennis balls or something.) In the same fashion, it would be wise to not get yourself into debates, which are the highest form of language based human interactions until you have the language skills to be doing so. (There are debate clubs, presidential debates, scientific debates, but, a debate between two people who can't understand each other, is just, ridiculous.) That's all I was saying. Look, it's not always that simple, you see, they usually act normally at first, and it's fine, but then, they seem to ALWAYS take some innocent comment, that NO American would even care about as the f*cking starting pistol for Armageddon. It's jarring, barely passable English, starts rapidly declining, as they get angrier, and angrier. (So, it's very hard to tell, when to pull out, are they just mad, or unable to understand the language properly?) It's not always as simple as people make it sound, these are dynamic human beings, not static code, you can't predict them, or always tell what's really happening.
And do you respond angrily when they don't understand you? It's only convention that this site is English only, and I happen to think that it's best that we encourage and respect others. A little humility goes one hell of a long way.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier -
How does that make me a snob? It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand. So, if I went to a Japanese forum, and acted like a complete jerk, it's okay, because I'm foreign? Please.
Joe_Dert wrote:
It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand.
Per that phrasing it is actually impossible. One could neither read nor post. So the question is one of degree and not an absolute. In terms of degree - then no it isn't "rude". And actually the whole topic seems a bit illogical. A 'logical' argument in one in which the participants agree to the terms and then, using an agreed upon process, attempt to reach a conclusion based on those terms. The "argue" part is part of the process normally and not part of the term agreement. And you, far as I can tell, either are suggesting they don't understand the terms, which means you should either give up or explain it to them, or you ignore the fact that they don't understand the terms and then get irritated because the process fails. But of course it fails because of the lack of term agreement. Thus it is illogical.
-
Maybe you should take your own advice. The only people I've said anything negative towards are: 1. People who have openly started debates with me. (I fight back, sorry if that bothers you.) 2. People who want to argue in languages they don't understand. (A very small minority of people.) So, report me, or whatever, I've done nothing wrong here. (Just make sure someone who ACTUALLY understands English reviews my post...) -- You act as if I'm in here just bashing foreigners, and that's just not the case, the truth of the matter is simple, you fall into one of these categories. 1. Don't understand English - And are in fact the very topic of discussion. 2. You are "projecting" your own feelings, and thoughts on to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection[^] Or, as I stated originally, perhaps you just need to take your own advice.
Quote:
perhaps you should step away from the keyboard and enhance your calm. Then you can come back to the keyboard and play nicely
Hardly. You've attacked people who were injecting a bit of humor into the thread because you were trying so hard to be serious. I truly don't care about the original topic, and am not projecting anything. Nice try though. I also have no need to "take [my] own advice" since my calm is quite good, but thanks for your concern.
-
I don't have a problem with the language barrier. I've got a problem with 2 kinds of people. 1) The people that bash on you when you don't give them the answer they want, usually it's they want their code written for them. 2) The cultural differences where they come here, ask a question, and then bash you for giving an answer because, in their culture apparently, it's an insult to tell them they're wrong about something. I see this coming more from the Middle East than anywhere else.
A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
and then bash you for giving an answer because, in their culture apparently, it's an insult to tell them they're wrong about something. I see this coming more from the Middle East than anywhere else.
Having seen this quite a bit I can't recall any ethnic bias in terms of that sort of response.
-
It's ignorant to ask a question about the morality of debating people who are at an obvious disadvantage? It's a serious question: Mutual respect demands that I debate them, they're people, they entered the debate willingly, etc,. However, another part of me feels kind of bad about it, because, they don't really understand the conversation. Thus, I sought outside opinions on the matter to gain perspective.
Thank you for continuing to prove my point. My share of this side conversation has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you and EVERYTHING to do with taking a humorous shot at Mick's humorous shot (or, since he's an Aussie I guess it would be "humourous shot"). Again, take a breath. Take life, and yourself, less seriously.
-
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
and then bash you for giving an answer because, in their culture apparently, it's an insult to tell them they're wrong about something. I see this coming more from the Middle East than anywhere else.
Having seen this quite a bit I can't recall any ethnic bias in terms of that sort of response.
I only remember a few really nasty responses I got out of about a couple dozen, and those were from Saudi Arabia, Iran and Jordan.
A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
Dave Kreskowiak -
Not a single person in this topic has shown me up. Please, point out these post, I'd love to see them. (I'm seriously, confused, I have NO CLUE, what you're on about.)
Joe_Dert wrote:
I'm seriously, confused, I have NO CLUE, what you're on about
If you spoke English you'd know the underlined comma was superfluous. BTW, superfluous means it wasn't needed and failed to add anything to the message. I said you have been shown up and it is true. Almost without fail, your diatribe has been ridiculed and belittled. You missed PB's[^] humorous use of Txtspk that showed his opinion of your age and IQ; both in the low teens. Then syou miss the humo(u)r[^] of a response to you reply. Next up you try and convince MM to play far. FFS, MM doesn't play far with his dick so you stand no chance. There are rules and there are conventions and we all, to greater or lesser extents, obey them. You crossed the one line that will get anyone flamed - don't troll. You might think you're not trolling, but offending non-Americans is trolling. This site is NOT American, it flies it's seal clubbing, 'roo loving, beer swilling credentials from the roof tops. We all work in English, not US-Can't Spell English or the Queen's Bally English but good International English. I've put down my gin for this, so read it, understand it and FFS stop being a dork!
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol