Man of Steel
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The problem is, Superman is the complete antithesis of Batman. Superman is supposed to be light, to Batman's dark. How are we to reconcile Jonathan Kent's exhortations for Clark to grow up with an inate selfishness with the selflessness that Superman epitomises in the comics? In the end, Superman comes across as dull, where Batman is interesting.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI somewhat agree with you, but also think it's more complicated than that. Batman being dark is a rather recent turn. The original Batman was nothing like the one in the recent films, and also the sad truth is that is was Adam West's portayal that first made the character really mainstream. Same with Superman, over the decades there were many incarnations of the character, that's why there are things like golden age/pre-crisis Superman, not all of which were light. The original Superman had no remorses killing bad guys, which granted is the opposite of Batman, but not in a was as one would expect it. Also one has to keep in mind that this film still is a summer blockbuster, with mostly the usual obligatory stuff (lots of action, grand scale demolitions). I think they made a good job making it fit in the plot, and left out the parts that just wouldn't work in this context, like a real romantic storyline, that are otherwise considered a must, well, just because. And yes, it's also true, that they basically made a Batman with superpowers (exaggerating a bit) in this movie. Which I don't necessarily find a bad thing, as long as they don't make a movie with both in them, which would make this more appearant, in a negative way.
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The problem is, Superman is the complete antithesis of Batman. Superman is supposed to be light, to Batman's dark. How are we to reconcile Jonathan Kent's exhortations for Clark to grow up with an inate selfishness with the selflessness that Superman epitomises in the comics? In the end, Superman comes across as dull, where Batman is interesting.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierYep. Superman is an illegal immigrant, while Batman is a rich vigilante with (probably corrupt) contacts in high places in the local law enforcement agencies.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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143 mins :WTF: Though I don't recommend Googling "Man of Steel Length" with SafeSearch off :)
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Keith Barrow wrote:
143 mins
That's nothing - try the three LotR films:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Keith Barrow wrote:
143 mins
That's nothing - try the three LotR films:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I did. They had plots with characters which developed etc. Superman has always stuck me as more "Superman big, Superman strong, Superman mighty, Superman wear underpants over leotard"
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Keith Barrow wrote:
143 mins
That's nothing - try the three LotR films:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I did. They had plots with characters which developed etc. Superman has always stuck me as more "Superman big, Superman strong, Superman mighty, Superman wear underpants over leotard"
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Yes, Superman always comes across as a celebration of the USA's superiority over every other culture that's ever existed, or ever will exist. "USA big, USA strong, USA mighty, USA wear underpants over leotard elect clever president[^]." Unless you're watching the Roger Meyers, Sr.[^] version, that is.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Yes, Superman always comes across as a celebration of the USA's superiority over every other culture that's ever existed, or ever will exist. "USA big, USA strong, USA mighty, USA wear underpants over leotard elect clever president[^]." Unless you're watching the Roger Meyers, Sr.[^] version, that is.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
This is an awesome "what if" take on the classic Superman origins story: Red Son:[^] "In Red Son, Superman's rocket ship lands on a Ukrainian collective farm rather than in Kansas... Instead of fighting for "...truth, justice, and the American Way", Superman is described in Soviet radio broadcasts "...as the Champion of the common worker who fights a never-ending battle for Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact." His "secret identity" (i.e. the name his adoptive parents gave him) is a state secret."
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I tried watch 20 mins of a Bollywood film once. Despite the picturesque ladies and certain surreal charm, playing guess the plot and figuring out why the ladies were singing as if to confuse bats got wearing. Better than the two Matrix sequels that don't exist though.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
The name... If you wanna watch watch Sholay
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You had to have Buns of Steel to sit through the whole thing without going numb. Blimey, that's a long film - and it's really not the film I was hoping for.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI'll wait for the Blu-ray release then... gotta need something to munch about :laugh:
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You had to have Buns of Steel to sit through the whole thing without going numb. Blimey, that's a long film - and it's really not the film I was hoping for.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI liked it a lot. I was expecting to sit through an hour of origin story in Kansas, but they interspersed his youth as flashbacks, so it kept the story moving. I though Amy Adams as Lois was a horrible choice. She and Superman had ZERO chemistry. Henry and Margot Kidder would have been a better match... And, yeah, the fight scenes were a bit ridiculous. There has to come a point when 2 guys who are beating each other up for 30 minutes with no effect (other than destroying the city) should stop and say, "Alright, we gotta come up with something better than this..."
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I tried watch 20 mins of a Bollywood film once. Despite the picturesque ladies and certain surreal charm, playing guess the plot and figuring out why the ladies were singing as if to confuse bats got wearing. Better than the two Matrix sequels that don't exist though.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
I normally run screaming for the hills, if Bollywood approaches, but I was pleasantly surprised by the 170-minute Three Idiots[^].
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yep. Superman is an illegal immigrant, while Batman is a rich vigilante with (probably corrupt) contacts in high places in the local law enforcement agencies.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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You had to have Buns of Steel to sit through the whole thing without going numb. Blimey, that's a long film - and it's really not the film I was hoping for.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Superman is an illegal immigrant
Yup! Now YOU go tell him that! :laugh:
It's too damn cold at the north pole for my taste! I'll send him an email... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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You had to have Buns of Steel to sit through the whole thing without going numb. Blimey, that's a long film - and it's really not the film I was hoping for.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierPete O'Hanlon wrote:
You had to have Buns of Steel to sit through the whole thing without going numb. Blimey, that's a long film - and it's really not the film I was hoping for.
So, no one told you that Superman finally learnt to put his underwear on first.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
143 mins
That's nothing - try the three LotR films:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
My Dad and I watched all three of these in one day... :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Richard Deeming wrote:
And that's not even the "special-extended-directors-cut-now-with-more-Ents" edition.
My Dad and I watched all three of these in one day... :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
At over 12.5 hours (plus toilet/beer breaks) that would pretty much take a whole day to watch. I hope you didn't watch the appendices, documentaries and other crap extra features on the same day?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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You're right. It's not that good. The back story is ponderous. Jonathan Kent is particularly unlikeable, and the fight scenes while being too fast to see properly, drag on far too long. All in all, it's a film that's far too impressed with its own special effects than on character and plot development.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierWhat, what you want character and plot development in a FX film, sha some people want everything, I don't know *much shacking of head*
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I did. They had plots with characters which developed etc. Superman has always stuck me as more "Superman big, Superman strong, Superman mighty, Superman wear underpants over leotard"
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Yes, the most boring superhero ever invented. His only redeeming feature is he was early to the table - for an interesting story, just about every other hero in film and/or literature is preferable.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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You're right. It's not that good. The back story is ponderous. Jonathan Kent is particularly unlikeable, and the fight scenes while being too fast to see properly, drag on far too long. All in all, it's a film that's far too impressed with its own special effects than on character and plot development.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierYeah, it always puts me to sleep when two indestructible characters face off (like the Hulk and the Abomination), like, what's the point other than to chew up screen time?
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