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You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

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  • J Joezer BH

    Nope, That is indeed what Wikipedia says, so I can understand the feeling you have of it's certainty... :sigh: of course someone wanted his name to sound nicer, which is ... nice. I prefer the truth though. Nur is either Light or Fire. Din means Judgement or Hell. * Further info: Actuall Din is hard to translate to English, there is no word for it. Din means that a person will confront the consequences of his actions, it means that every little thing we do is being noticed, written down, stored on the divine hard drives, so that when the person completes his role and proceeds, he will then be confronted with all his actions and choices, and of course bear the ultimate judgement.

    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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    In the Arabic language, the words for light and fire are completely seperate. Nur = light Nar = fire In addition the word, Din means Religion. So I'm guessing Wikipedia thought it sounded cooler or something :laugh:

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      In the Arabic language, the words for light and fire are completely seperate. Nur = light Nar = fire In addition the word, Din means Religion. So I'm guessing Wikipedia thought it sounded cooler or something :laugh:

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      Joezer BH
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      So I guess his mother called him sunshine then ;)

      It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

      ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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      • R Roman_wolf

        In the Arabic language, the words for light and fire are completely seperate. Nur = light Nar = fire In addition the word, Din means Religion. So I'm guessing Wikipedia thought it sounded cooler or something :laugh:

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        Joezer BH
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        Din is sometimes used as "religion" however it does not mean religion. The reason is that Din basically means Judgement, and the word Religion in arabic (and hebrew) has the meaning of "a set of rules one must follow" hence the close connection with the word Din

        It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

        ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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        • J Joezer BH

          Din is sometimes used as "religion" however it does not mean religion. The reason is that Din basically means Judgement, and the word Religion in arabic (and hebrew) has the meaning of "a set of rules one must follow" hence the close connection with the word Din

          It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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          That's true, however, in this case, it's meant as religion or faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_al-Din_(disambiguation)[^] It's actually a very common practice in Arabic names and surnames (SomeGoodAdjective or Noun - El Din. For example, Ez el Din, Sayf el Din...) :)

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            That's true, however, in this case, it's meant as religion or faith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_al-Din_(disambiguation)[^] It's actually a very common practice in Arabic names and surnames (SomeGoodAdjective or Noun - El Din. For example, Ez el Din, Sayf el Din...) :)

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            Joezer BH
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            :thumbsup: Yes, and Sayf el Din is a good example, which means the "The Sword (Sayf) of Judgement"

            It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

            ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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            • D Dan Neely

              Tennessee judge rules infant's name must be changed from 'Messiah'[^] "The boy's mother, Jaleesa Martin, of Newport, said she will appeal. She says Messiah is unique and she liked how it sounded alongside the boy's two siblings -- Micah and Mason." I'm not sure what to be more apalled by, Judge Powertrip's abuse of her authority; or the baby-mommy's stupidity.

              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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              crikey

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              • C Chris Quinn

                No - I'm the messiah, and so's my wife


                It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com


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                Would she confirm both of those statements?

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Would she confirm both of those statements?

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Well - most nights we scream "Oh God!" at each other :laugh:


                  It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com


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                  • J Joezer BH

                    We should be cautious when judging other people for their culture. There were very influential people with names that you would think horrible, but other might for some reason find suiting. An example can be Nur-a-Din which means "The fire of hell" :mad: (quite a name), he was however an Arab lord, his direct successor was Saladin who humiliated the crusaders in the battle where he took Jerusalem. I wonder what his mother called him when he was little...

                    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                    Maimonides wrote:

                    We should be cautious when judging other people for their culture.

                    I don't think there was a judgement of this kind implied in the original post. In fact to quote from the item: "The boy's parents were in court because they could not agree on the child's last name" It was the judge who overstepped her jurisdiction by meddling in other matters. The separation of church and state is also a very valuable concept.

                    Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                      Maimonides wrote:

                      We should be cautious when judging other people for their culture.

                      I don't think there was a judgement of this kind implied in the original post. In fact to quote from the item: "The boy's parents were in court because they could not agree on the child's last name" It was the judge who overstepped her jurisdiction by meddling in other matters. The separation of church and state is also a very valuable concept.

                      Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                      Joezer BH
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                      pwasser wrote:

                      I don't think there was a judgement of this kind implied in the original post.

                      You are right, it was not implied, it was LOUD ON THE TABLE:

                      Dan wrote:

                      I'm not sure what to be more apalled by, Judge Powertrip's abuse of her authority; or the baby-mommy's stupidity.

                      It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                      ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Does the judge oppose parents naming their kids Jesus, Moses, or Mohammed?

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                        I doubt that a kid with the name of "Jesus" would be picked on as much as a "Messiah".

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                        • J Joezer BH

                          pwasser wrote:

                          I don't think there was a judgement of this kind implied in the original post.

                          You are right, it was not implied, it was LOUD ON THE TABLE:

                          Dan wrote:

                          I'm not sure what to be more apalled by, Judge Powertrip's abuse of her authority; or the baby-mommy's stupidity.

                          It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                          Well actually I can't see how your reply to me does anything to support your original statement or to refute mine. There has never been any cultural judgement implied. We are allowed to talk about abuse of authority and human stupidity are we not?

                          Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                            Well actually I can't see how your reply to me does anything to support your original statement or to refute mine. There has never been any cultural judgement implied. We are allowed to talk about abuse of authority and human stupidity are we not?

                            Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                            Yes, we are allowed, we are also allowed to judge this woman's idea of a name as stupidity. We are allowed to be as arrogant as we wish. I don't think there is a right or wrong here, I just don't think its very nice.

                            It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                            ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                              Yes, we are allowed, we are also allowed to judge this woman's idea of a name as stupidity. We are allowed to be as arrogant as we wish. I don't think there is a right or wrong here, I just don't think its very nice.

                              It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                              ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                              I suggest you carefully read the original post and the link because you seem to have missed the entire point. It has nothing to do with a chosen name at all. The stupidity is that these two people could not agree on a SECOND name. That's how this began. Now the judge jumped in and messed with the given name which happens to be a popular name today. If she had the jurisdiction to do that then she should be chasing up thousands of others.

                              Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                                I suggest you carefully read the original post and the link because you seem to have missed the entire point. It has nothing to do with a chosen name at all. The stupidity is that these two people could not agree on a SECOND name. That's how this began. Now the judge jumped in and messed with the given name which happens to be a popular name today. If she had the jurisdiction to do that then she should be chasing up thousands of others.

                                Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                                Joezer BH
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                                Well, I've read it, the second name change it the side story. The item is that when the judge heard the undisputed first name, she ordered it to be changed too, because she said that this name should be reserved to who she believes it should be reserved to. Now, Dan stated that woman is stupid, and I commented that judging someone for the name choice is not very nice. Not sure what you understood, but anyway, this is a far longer thread ;)

                                It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                • J Joezer BH

                                  We should be cautious when judging other people for their culture. There were very influential people with names that you would think horrible, but other might for some reason find suiting. An example can be Nur-a-Din which means "The fire of hell" :mad: (quite a name), he was however an Arab lord, his direct successor was Saladin who humiliated the crusaders in the battle where he took Jerusalem. I wonder what his mother called him when he was little...

                                  It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                  ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                  Is that his real name? I thought those military leaders took a scary-sounding name deliberately for their command. After reading the subthread about 'din', is it not that the 'judgement' refers to what he's expected to deliver to his enemies?

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                                    Is that his real name? I thought those military leaders took a scary-sounding name deliberately for their command. After reading the subthread about 'din', is it not that the 'judgement' refers to what he's expected to deliver to his enemies?

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                                    is it not that the 'judgement' refers to what he's expected to deliver to his enemies?

                                    Aye, only enemies :) (not sure how stable is the list of his enemies though)

                                    It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                    ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                    • J Joezer BH

                                      Well, I've read it, the second name change it the side story. The item is that when the judge heard the undisputed first name, she ordered it to be changed too, because she said that this name should be reserved to who she believes it should be reserved to. Now, Dan stated that woman is stupid, and I commented that judging someone for the name choice is not very nice. Not sure what you understood, but anyway, this is a far longer thread ;)

                                      It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                      ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                      Maimonides wrote:

                                      Dan stated that woman is stupid

                                      Which woman?

                                      Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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                                        Maimonides wrote:

                                        Dan stated that woman is stupid

                                        Which woman?

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                                        Joezer BH
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                                        The mother

                                        It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                        ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                          The mother

                                          It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!

                                          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                                          Well I can see that there are two possible interpretations. I choose to take one and you the other. I think I am happy to observe a truce.

                                          Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa

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