Please fire the person in Microsoft that thought the charms thing is ok
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Colborne: Do you own stock at MS?
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You are wrong. If Microsoft won't adapt to the user, some other company will and MS will keep going down. Don't get me wrong, I am an MS and I love Windows above OS X (I use both), but MS needs to be humble enough to recognize the need to adapt to users or die. (albeit they have too much momentum, it will take years but it will happen if they don't adapt)
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Windows 8 and windows phone 8 continue to gain market share and have yet to have a downward trend.
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I can see how there are a lot of things currently in the UI that don't work the way they are suppose to and affect the user experience, listening to the user at this point is just allowing the user to have creative input into the program not really addressing the issue and potentially road blocking the greatness that will come out of this UI if windows moves backwards.
Agreed. Moving backwards is not a viable solution. MS needs to work on better alternatives instead. As pointed out in a different posting, the vision that led to W8 is a good one - it's just the current implementation that is lacking. That said, I do hope they drop the idea of a unified UI: a screen layout that works well on a 4 inch smartphone touch screen will never scale up well to a 24 inch desktop non-touch screen, no matter how many resources MS invests into that goal. They should instead split up the "View" in the MVC model into a "Scene", which describes the visuals in a more abstract way, and several "Viewports" with different capabilities that render the current Scene depending on their individual capabilities (such as resolution, screen size, touch-capability, 3D-capability, refresh rate, and the like). This would greatly help in programming applications that run on different devices, while still catering to the usage patterns of each individual device.
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Agreed. Moving backwards is not a viable solution. MS needs to work on better alternatives instead. As pointed out in a different posting, the vision that led to W8 is a good one - it's just the current implementation that is lacking. That said, I do hope they drop the idea of a unified UI: a screen layout that works well on a 4 inch smartphone touch screen will never scale up well to a 24 inch desktop non-touch screen, no matter how many resources MS invests into that goal. They should instead split up the "View" in the MVC model into a "Scene", which describes the visuals in a more abstract way, and several "Viewports" with different capabilities that render the current Scene depending on their individual capabilities (such as resolution, screen size, touch-capability, 3D-capability, refresh rate, and the like). This would greatly help in programming applications that run on different devices, while still catering to the usage patterns of each individual device.
I am using two 40 inch screens with wireless gestures. As a programmer in windows 8.1 I never have to worry about scalability it solves that issue so easily
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Also Outlook 2013, when you have the reading pane enabled. Instead of showing you the content of the email message (what Outlook is presumably all about), shows you a huge header about the sender and their status. Going back to Rajesh's post, I've long held that software which can't get the little things right likely does not get the big things right. I think Win 8 qualifies. Take an OS which worked perfrectly fine for the majority of non-touchscreen users, and force them to pretend their device is a touchscreen. Grrrr!
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Win + C in my environment doesn't work. There is a Citrix in the middle and a lot of other complicated stuff, basically for security :)
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Bummer then.
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
I agree with you completely. BTW there's a way to revert the VS 2012 menus to regular capitalization: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-the-uppercase-menu-in-visual-studio-2012.aspx
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I hear people say Win 8 isn't bad, it's good once you get used to it... bla bla bla. :doh: Well, I'm still unconvinced and still happy with Win 7
I tried to like Win8. Came on a new notebook. Gave up when some programs wouldn't run in Win8. Put Win7 on. Good luck trying to find the Win7 drivers for a machine "designed specially for Windows 8"! Yes, it uses components that are Win7 compatible, but there's no explicit support for Win7, as if they couldn't have predicted the backlash. Sure, you can still find new notebooks with Win7, but the specs aren't the best.
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I agree with you completely. BTW there's a way to revert the VS 2012 menus to regular capitalization: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zainnab/archive/2012/06/14/turn-off-the-uppercase-menu-in-visual-studio-2012.aspx
Thank you, that will make it a lot better. :)
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Windows 8 and windows phone 8 continue to gain market share and have yet to have a downward trend.
And by gain market share you mean that it is even worse than Vista? http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/[^] I have a Windows Phone sitting nicely in my desk. I use my iPhone instead as it is more user friendly. I do develop in Windows and think it is great. They just messed it up with this one in particular.
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And by gain market share you mean that it is even worse than Vista? http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/[^] I have a Windows Phone sitting nicely in my desk. I use my iPhone instead as it is more user friendly. I do develop in Windows and think it is great. They just messed it up with this one in particular.
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Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly. No old age population finds iphones friendly, but windows 8 continues to be picked up by people that have never had a cell phone, and comment if it wasn't for windows 8 I would never get into technology.
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Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly. No old age population finds iphones friendly, but windows 8 continues to be picked up by people that have never had a cell phone, and comment if it wasn't for windows 8 I would never get into technology.
And here you go again with a misconception. You write: "Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly." But instead it should be something like: "Anything that is not intuitive enough for someone that does not know how to use it, and if feels unnatural to learn is less user friendly." I think the last sentence was not user friendly. I like better "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" :) Case in point: my 2 year old toddler works the iPad up and down like an extension of her arm. Gave her the my Surface and Galaxy and she basically just asked for the iPad. And not because she is a toddler. This is common on all ages when introduced to technology.
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And here you go again with a misconception. You write: "Anything that someone does not know how to use is less user friendly." But instead it should be something like: "Anything that is not intuitive enough for someone that does not know how to use it, and if feels unnatural to learn is less user friendly." I think the last sentence was not user friendly. I like better "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" :) Case in point: my 2 year old toddler works the iPad up and down like an extension of her arm. Gave her the my Surface and Galaxy and she basically just asked for the iPad. And not because she is a toddler. This is common on all ages when introduced to technology.
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If you already learn a way of doing something as long as you are faced with a device that is different then the way you are used to - you will be confronted with what you think is bullshit.
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If you already learn a way of doing something as long as you are faced with a device that is different then the way you are used to - you will be confronted with what you think is bullshit.
You are getting too poetic :)
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You are getting too poetic :)
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Windows 8 would be the most beautiful thing in the world if it wasn't called windows and didn't support the desktop.
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Windows 8 would be the most beautiful thing in the world if it wasn't called windows and didn't support the desktop.
Now you are saying that you hate dual mode because it confuses you!
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Now you are saying that you hate dual mode because it confuses you!
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learn to read
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learn to read
I am sooo tired of you. I will stop this conversation here because "you can't fix stupid". Bye Colborne.
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learn to read
Do you want for me to send you a gift for being so smart to 612 O'Connor Dr, Kingston, ON K7P 1N3, Canada?
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learn to read
Oh and learn to code. You do tv mounting :) You should learn to respect and add value to conversations instead of just going around making senseless comments venting becuase of whatever problems you have!
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