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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    A small comparison with Switzerland: In Switzerland a majority of the male population is conscripted to the army and is required to keep an army rifle or assault rifle at home. Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with 0.7 per 100,000 population. I'd say it is a matter of culture.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    Indeed.

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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      It was just a statement: wasn't intended to elicit anything. However, if you feel it should be in the soapybox feel free to transfer it over.

      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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      Christian Graus
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      Even if you sincerely believe it, it's clearly a discussion that belongs in the soapbox.

      Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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        Agreed. And clearly, disarming people in the USA won't change that the country is awash with guns.

        Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        So, how do one change the culture?

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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          So, how do one change the culture?

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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          Christian Graus
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          I don't think it's possible, but the first step would be to stop the media from creating a culture of irrational fear. Another step would be to have a society without such huge gaps in opportunity and ability to sustain life comfortably. Could be headed towards soapbox territory....

          Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            A small comparison with Switzerland: In Switzerland a majority of the male population is conscripted to the army and is required to keep an army rifle or assault rifle at home. Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with 0.7 per 100,000 population. I'd say it is a matter of culture.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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            Jörgen Andersson wrote:

            I'd say it is a matter of culture.

            Or in our case, a lack of it. :sigh: Too many people just do not understand the value of life.

            Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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            • C Christian Graus

              Even if you sincerely believe it, it's clearly a discussion that belongs in the soapbox.

              Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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              R Giskard Reventlov
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              Well, I don't agree but never mind.

              "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                I don't think it's possible, but the first step would be to stop the media from creating a culture of irrational fear. Another step would be to have a society without such huge gaps in opportunity and ability to sustain life comfortably. Could be headed towards soapbox territory....

                Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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                Christian Graus wrote:

                I don't think it's possible,

                Yes it is.  After some googling I found this: how to change a culture[^]. Crap - that's only a getter.  I told you I was sick. :) I meant this[^]. :-O /ravi

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                • J Jorgen Andersson

                  A small comparison with Switzerland: In Switzerland a majority of the male population is conscripted to the army and is required to keep an army rifle or assault rifle at home. Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with 0.7 per 100,000 population. I'd say it is a matter of culture.

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                  Ah, but that's down to great chocolate, a cool knife and some seriously cuckoo clocks.

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                    I don't think it's possible, but the first step would be to stop the media from creating a culture of irrational fear. Another step would be to have a society without such huge gaps in opportunity and ability to sustain life comfortably. Could be headed towards soapbox territory....

                    Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    Doing something about the media. - Agreed.

                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    Could be headed towards soapbox territory....

                    You're probably right. I'm out of here, I'll check the soapbox tomorrow.

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                      Well, I don't agree but never mind.

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                      Christian Graus
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                      You're welcome to post a link to a discussion you start in the soapbox. I promise to be civil in explaining to you why I think you're mistaken. I am sure you'll see soon enough why such a discussion does not belong in the lounge.

                      Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                        It would be simpler to arm and train everyone to properly use a gun than to pretend that banning guns will work or stop killings.

                        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                        :thumbsup::thumbsup:

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
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                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                          Doing something about the media. - Agreed.

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          Could be headed towards soapbox territory....

                          You're probably right. I'm out of here, I'll check the soapbox tomorrow.

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                          Christian Graus
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                          Unless mark starts it, I probably won't pursue it. It's a broken record 'guns make us free, the government are scared of us because of our guns, etc'. yawn.

                          Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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                            Ah, but that's down to great chocolate, a cool knife and some seriously cuckoo clocks.

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                            Jorgen Andersson
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                            And cheese, you forgot the cheese. Some years ago I wen't to Zug in Switzerland to install a server. During lunch I asked the people how to make a proper cheese fondue. During the next two hours I learned a lot about cheese, and Swiss culture.

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                              And cheese, you forgot the cheese. Some years ago I wen't to Zug in Switzerland to install a server. During lunch I asked the people how to make a proper cheese fondue. During the next two hours I learned a lot about cheese, and Swiss culture.

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                              Pete OHanlon
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                              There are holes in your argument.

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                                You're welcome to post a link to a discussion you start in the soapbox. I promise to be civil in explaining to you why I think you're mistaken. I am sure you'll see soon enough why such a discussion does not belong in the lounge.

                                Christian Graus My new article series is all about SQL !!!

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                                R Giskard Reventlov
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                                I have no doubt you'd be civil: that isn't the issue. I do, however, disagree that the conversation would be best discussed in the soapbox. I wasn't looking for a conversation, just expressing a personal view. Still, I'll put it over there and see what happens.

                                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                                  It was just a statement: wasn't intended to elicit anything. However, if you feel it should be in the soapybox feel free to transfer it over.

                                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                                  Of course, Mark. Obviously one would never expect such a statement in this forum would elicit anything other than mild nods and everyone would move on, keyboard untouched.

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                                    Of course, Mark. Obviously one would never expect such a statement in this forum would elicit anything other than mild nods and everyone would move on, keyboard untouched.

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                                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                                    Hey! I can't be responsible for other people's reactions to what I write. :-)

                                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                                      Hey! I can't be responsible for other people's reactions to what I write. :-)

                                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                                      enhzflep
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                                      No, of course not. But you'd hopefully understand that some people would see you as being 2 beers short of a six-pack for not anticipating them and acting accordingly.

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                                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                                        So, how do one change the culture?

                                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                                        JimmyRopes
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                                        Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                                        So, how do one change the culture?

                                        Ship them all off to Switzerland. :-D

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                                          Of course, Mark. Obviously one would never expect such a statement in this forum would elicit anything other than mild nods and everyone would move on, keyboard untouched.

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                                          Roger Wright
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                                          Of course! I'm not commenting, even though I just spent three horrendous days in the Peoples' Republic of California unarmed by law, and subject to the mindless or malicious intent of any of the armed loonies that reside there, despite the law. Even though many who dwell here would benefit from learning that opinions and facts are different creatures, and no amount of wishful thinking will change facts, I'm not commenting... ;P

                                          Will Rogers never met me.

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