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C is a better language than any language you care to name.

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    It's a good language, but in the modern world it's a bit...outclassed. If you want small tight code for embedded work, then assembler is probably a good bet - though C is very useful there, it does tend to generate bloated code compared to that produced by a good assembler programmer. The C code will be produced faster, but it'll need more RAM, more processor, more...in embedded work you don't always have the luxury! If you want desktop work, then C# or C++ have so many massive advantages in terms of OOPs design that there really isn't any comparison. It'll take you a lot longer to write the same app in C, and it'll almost certainly be harder to maintain. If you want to write a website, then good luck doing it in C... It's a product of it's time: it was designed to be "better than COBOL and FORTRAN". But the world has moved on, and the "competition" is a lot more sophisticated now.

    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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    Hardly I need to write assembly code for PIC24 microcontrollers.

    Veni, vidi, vici.

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Discuss. I've just read The Unreasonable Effectiveness of C[^] and decided to outsource my ranting response to it

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      Ravi Bhavnani
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      Define "better". /ravi

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        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        It's like just as soon as computers get faster, we want to make the languages more bloated.

        ...and it flows straight down to our operating systems and applications. IMHO - A fresh Windows 2K and Office 2K install is still the fastest, cleanest, most productive Microsoft office stack ever made.

        Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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        ...for about a week....:laugh:

        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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        • R Ravi Bhavnani

          Define "better". /ravi

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          "Someone who gambles"

          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            "Someone who gambles"

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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            Isn't that "bettor"? /ravi

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            • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

              C and AOL is there anything else?

              Here today gone to Maui...

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              NetScape Navigator?

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              • C Chris Losinger

                C++ is better.

                image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                It's twice as good.

                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  Roger Wright wrote:

                  Then came C, and the death spiral of useful language development began.

                  It's like just as soon as computers get faster, we want to make the languages more bloated. That way we never enjoy the new speed, we simply keep things the same and have a new cool shiny layer that sounds technical to toss on top of it. I've never made a programming language, but when I think of something like Ruby, which has some nice features, and then I think it's slow as dirt so I'll never use it. Just because CPUs are faster doesn't mean we can waste cycles, otherwise it's always a game of catch up.

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  Lua is not bloated, for instance.

                  Veni, vidi, vici.

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                  • R Ravi Bhavnani

                    Define "better". /ravi

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                    'C'

                    Veni, vidi, vici.

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                      Isn't that "bettor"? /ravi

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                      You bet.

                      Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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                      • C CPallini

                        'C'

                        Veni, vidi, vici.

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                        How about iC instead? Apple inspired :laugh:

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          Discuss. I've just read The Unreasonable Effectiveness of C[^] and decided to outsource my ranting response to it

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          D language[^] is better. It combines the simplicity of C and avoids all the kludginess of C++ for the same elegance you see in C#. Plus...no *.H files or #defines !!!! :) Plus garbage collection!

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                            Discuss. I've just read The Unreasonable Effectiveness of C[^] and decided to outsource my ranting response to it

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            Golden Days!^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            • R Ravi Bhavnani

                              Define "better". /ravi

                              My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                              Unfortunately, if you don't know it could never be explained to you.

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                You bet.

                                Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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                                Look, a Who tribute band. You better bet your life...

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                                  D language[^] is better. It combines the simplicity of C and avoids all the kludginess of C++ for the same elegance you see in C#. Plus...no *.H files or #defines !!!! :) Plus garbage collection!

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                                  DaveX86 wrote:

                                  Plus garbage collection!

                                  As Is Well Understood and Universally Accepted: "You don't need garbage collection if your code is not garbage!"

                                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                  "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  • E ed welch

                                    That article is all wrong. The guy assumes that just because a feature exists you are forced to use it. Most expercienced c++ programers are only using a small subset of the language.

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                                    And even then, there are 4 sub-languages to C++: - C backward compatibility - C++ - STL - Template meta-programming How you use C++ primarily depends on which one of the sub-languages you are using for that portion of the program.

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                                    • K Kenneth Haugland

                                      How about iC instead? Apple inspired :laugh:

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                                      Oh, I'm in love with iC[^].

                                      Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                        Look, a Who tribute band. You better bet your life...

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                                        Ravi Bhavnani
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                                        Who's next? /ravi

                                        My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                                          Unfortunately, if you don't know it could never be explained to you.

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                          So what's your definition of "better" (as applied to a programming language)? /ravi

                                          My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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