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  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

    What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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    He should have retired after he made Titanic.

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    • D Duncan Edwards Jones

      What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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      Sorry, that ship has sailed.

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        He should have retired after he made Titanic.

        We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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        Nemanja Trifunovic
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        GenJerDan wrote:

        He should have retired after he made Titanic.

        He should have retired after before he made Titanic.

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        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

          What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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          I'd say the last few PM's we've had have probably been amongst the worst this country's ever seen. The next one isn't looking great either :(

          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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          • D Duncan Edwards Jones

            What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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            If your password is difficult enough you don't need encryption anyway! :D

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            • M Munchies_Matt

              What a tit he is. Really. The problem with the Paris incident is the failure of the French to surveil these people despite them being known affiliates of terrorists. That, was a stupid mistake to make.

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              One explanation I heard for that dropping of surveillance was to reduce expenses.

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              • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                  What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                  Member 4724084
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                  Not really, as encryption is becoming more and more irrelevant. Even AES256 can be broken in a rather trivial manner with multiple programmable GPU's. Every message should be readable? A more correct statement would be every message is readable with a little bit of knowledge and the right hardware.

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                  • S Slacker007

                    It's not entirely, knee jerk response. Governments want to control message encryption to a certain degree; that is fact, not fiction.

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                    Leo56
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                    True. It's WHY they want to control it that concerns me...

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                    • W W Balboos GHB

                      One explanation I heard for that dropping of surveillance was to reduce expenses.

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      Leo56
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                      Your first quote sums up Cameron so perfectly....

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                      • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                        What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                        Simon ORiordan from UK
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                        David Cameron is an BUnLQyVPaM72bzAb3coSNPv2iOK8wkgVZ2sooIOVTMk= And yes, that is real, and yes, it is rude.

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                        • M Member 4724084

                          Not really, as encryption is becoming more and more irrelevant. Even AES256 can be broken in a rather trivial manner with multiple programmable GPU's. Every message should be readable? A more correct statement would be every message is readable with a little bit of knowledge and the right hardware.

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                          Simon ORiordan from UK
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                          Maybe, but if Zetabytes of encrypted data are produced, how are they going to know which bits are of interest without decrypting the lot before they do their data mining?

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                            Maybe, but if Zetabytes of encrypted data are produced, how are they going to know which bits are of interest without decrypting the lot before they do their data mining?

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                            Quite simply, they can't. Not without some seriously hard-core distributed computing and analytics going on under the hood, where each node is capable of decrypting and sifting through several terabytes of data at any given moment. A tall order even for a government. The question then becomes what does one do with the data, according to Seagate we will have collectively produced some 44 Zetabytes of data by the year 2020. The limits of data storage across the globe, according to Seagate, will have been reached around the same time. Past that point, your guess is as good as mine. Cameron and others will have to come up with some other form of police state.

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                              Quite simply, they can't. Not without some seriously hard-core distributed computing and analytics going on under the hood, where each node is capable of decrypting and sifting through several terabytes of data at any given moment. A tall order even for a government. The question then becomes what does one do with the data, according to Seagate we will have collectively produced some 44 Zetabytes of data by the year 2020. The limits of data storage across the globe, according to Seagate, will have been reached around the same time. Past that point, your guess is as good as mine. Cameron and others will have to come up with some other form of police state.

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                              Simon ORiordan from UK
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                              So, like with bit torrents, he wants to eliminate the average traffic and cherry-pick victims as and when from what remains. Cynical tiG3zDrNg/0XFrVtUwttyg== isn't he. He's persecuting grandma so he can victimise the savvy at leisure. Nice. Incidentally, whenever one gets ripped off by DVD vendors (lack of sound, 4:3 aspect ratio, wrong zone, encryption won't work), one can fire up Tails os and navigate to any torrent site, then one download the torrent file and run it from Windoze, no problem. Instant recovery of one's property, no need for snail mail returns, no need to spend more money trying to recover one's money, and of course, one gets what one paid for in the first place. Not that I ever would of course. Cheers!

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                              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                I had to look-up who David Cameron is (sorry), but if PM here would ask for such back-door people would show him out of the front door...

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                                Perhaps GCHQ would like to drop all their encrypted transmissions. What's David's thoughts on that?

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                                • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                  What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                                  Pro Tip: Politicians aren't in the game for your benefit.

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                                  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                    What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                                    David Cameron is ultra-focused on his desire for the government to be able to read your emails. This impractical enemy of democracy and privacy needs to be removed from any position of responsibility.

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                                    • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                      What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                                      Jim McCool
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                                      The US tried something similar back in the 90's, but was slightly smarter about it. Anyone remember the clipper chip? This inexpensive chip was to be installed in phones, PCs, anywhere "secure" encryption was needed. It also provided for key escrow so that any authorized government entity could obtain the key. It never did catch on, and the public backlash resulted in several free public encryption schemes including PGP, which is still in use.

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        It sounds clear...

                                        David Cameron:

                                        "Are we going to allow a means of communications which it simply isn't possible to read? My answer to that question is: 'No, we must not.'"

                                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                        Not necessarily. He may be thinking of messages in english that are so very badly written that they are impossible to read - understand. At least in my area, when you worked enough in multinational software development teams and read some of the code comments you would really appreciate having them banned.

                                        giuchici

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