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  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

    What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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    Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

    Has he lost the plot completely?

    No. In order to lose it, he'd need to have had it in the first place.


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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    • M Mark_Wallace

      He's absolutely right, of course. I mean, a couple of men with guns killed some people in another country, so our only possible response is to give up more of our civil liberties. Why are you having such trouble seeing the obvious?

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      ehhhh, it makes a nice change from: BAN ALL THE THINGS FOR THE CHILDRENZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11eleventyone111!!11

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

        Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

        Has he lost the plot completely?

        No. In order to lose it, he'd need to have had it in the first place.


        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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        A friend of mine back in the UK, who is very politically aware, said this not long after Cameron got elected: "From time-to-time the electorate makes choices that you don't politically agree with; that's democracy. But when they elect an incompetent administration ..."

        Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

          What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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          Not really - he only wants to read your messaging :~

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          • D Duncan Edwards Jones

            What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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            He should have retired after he made Titanic.

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            • D Duncan Edwards Jones

              What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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              Sorry, that ship has sailed.

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                He should have retired after he made Titanic.

                We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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                Nemanja Trifunovic
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                GenJerDan wrote:

                He should have retired after he made Titanic.

                He should have retired after before he made Titanic.

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                • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                  What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                  I'd say the last few PM's we've had have probably been amongst the worst this country's ever seen. The next one isn't looking great either :(

                  How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                    What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                    If your password is difficult enough you don't need encryption anyway! :D

                    My blog[^]

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                    • M Munchies_Matt

                      What a tit he is. Really. The problem with the Paris incident is the failure of the French to surveil these people despite them being known affiliates of terrorists. That, was a stupid mistake to make.

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                      One explanation I heard for that dropping of surveillance was to reduce expenses.

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                      • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                        What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

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                        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                          What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                          Not really, as encryption is becoming more and more irrelevant. Even AES256 can be broken in a rather trivial manner with multiple programmable GPU's. Every message should be readable? A more correct statement would be every message is readable with a little bit of knowledge and the right hardware.

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                          • S Slacker007

                            It's not entirely, knee jerk response. Governments want to control message encryption to a certain degree; that is fact, not fiction.

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                            True. It's WHY they want to control it that concerns me...

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                            • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                              What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                              Simon ORiordan from UK
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                              David Cameron is an BUnLQyVPaM72bzAb3coSNPv2iOK8wkgVZ2sooIOVTMk= And yes, that is real, and yes, it is rude.

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                                One explanation I heard for that dropping of surveillance was to reduce expenses.

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                Leo56
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                                Your first quote sums up Cameron so perfectly....

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                                • M Member 4724084

                                  Not really, as encryption is becoming more and more irrelevant. Even AES256 can be broken in a rather trivial manner with multiple programmable GPU's. Every message should be readable? A more correct statement would be every message is readable with a little bit of knowledge and the right hardware.

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                                  Simon ORiordan from UK
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                                  Maybe, but if Zetabytes of encrypted data are produced, how are they going to know which bits are of interest without decrypting the lot before they do their data mining?

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                                    Maybe, but if Zetabytes of encrypted data are produced, how are they going to know which bits are of interest without decrypting the lot before they do their data mining?

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                                    Quite simply, they can't. Not without some seriously hard-core distributed computing and analytics going on under the hood, where each node is capable of decrypting and sifting through several terabytes of data at any given moment. A tall order even for a government. The question then becomes what does one do with the data, according to Seagate we will have collectively produced some 44 Zetabytes of data by the year 2020. The limits of data storage across the globe, according to Seagate, will have been reached around the same time. Past that point, your guess is as good as mine. Cameron and others will have to come up with some other form of police state.

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                                      Quite simply, they can't. Not without some seriously hard-core distributed computing and analytics going on under the hood, where each node is capable of decrypting and sifting through several terabytes of data at any given moment. A tall order even for a government. The question then becomes what does one do with the data, according to Seagate we will have collectively produced some 44 Zetabytes of data by the year 2020. The limits of data storage across the globe, according to Seagate, will have been reached around the same time. Past that point, your guess is as good as mine. Cameron and others will have to come up with some other form of police state.

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                                      Simon ORiordan from UK
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                                      So, like with bit torrents, he wants to eliminate the average traffic and cherry-pick victims as and when from what remains. Cynical tiG3zDrNg/0XFrVtUwttyg== isn't he. He's persecuting grandma so he can victimise the savvy at leisure. Nice. Incidentally, whenever one gets ripped off by DVD vendors (lack of sound, 4:3 aspect ratio, wrong zone, encryption won't work), one can fire up Tails os and navigate to any torrent site, then one download the torrent file and run it from Windoze, no problem. Instant recovery of one's property, no need for snail mail returns, no need to spend more money trying to recover one's money, and of course, one gets what one paid for in the first place. Not that I ever would of course. Cheers!

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        I had to look-up who David Cameron is (sorry), but if PM here would ask for such back-door people would show him out of the front door...

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                                        Perhaps GCHQ would like to drop all their encrypted transmissions. What's David's thoughts on that?

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                                        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                          What David Cameron just proposed would endanger every Briton and destroy the IT industry[^]... Has he lost the plot completely?

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                                          Pro Tip: Politicians aren't in the game for your benefit.

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