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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    Those are practical solutions, not adjusted for silly puzzles. My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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    Yup, same goes to my wife, she wont do it in any case :)

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    • J Jorgen Andersson

      Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      Lost User
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      Our AI teacher on CS faculty gave us this assignment (and other of similar type about 15 years ago) to promote analog type of thinking ... meaning that not everything is about zeros and ones in computer science.

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      • M Member 11762424

        if the light is incandescent or halogen, it will get hot if left on. so switch on the first switch, and get distracted for 10 minutes, switch it off, switch on the next one and race upstairs. If the light is on, it is that 2nd switch. If it is off but hot, it was the first switch. Else it is the third switch. If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        And we have a winner.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        • P Peter_in_2780

          The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

          Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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          Rage
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          Exactly what I thought, this "riddle" is going to die out...

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            R Erasmus
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            Check the other rooms if their light go on/off?

            "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>

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            • P Peter_in_2780

              The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

              Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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              greldak
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              Should still work but may need to take quite a bit longer.

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                b_in
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                Firstly turn on switch1 for 1 minute, after 1 minute turn off the switch1, then turn on the switch2. go to the room and check the cases: case1: If bulb is on then switch2 is default switch. case2: Touch bulb by your hand if it is warm then switch1 is default switch. case3: If bulb is cold/normal then switch3 is default switch. default: No switch is working. ;)

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                • P Peter_in_2780

                  The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                  Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                  Dan Neely
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                  CFLs still get hot enough to the touch that you don't want to replace them immediately after they fail. LED's are only marginally more efficient; half of the "bulb" ends up being a heat sink. Bean counters being what they are; I'd expect it to be the bare minimum size required and to still get nice and warm.

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                  • M Member 11762424

                    if the light is incandescent or halogen, it will get hot if left on. so switch on the first switch, and get distracted for 10 minutes, switch it off, switch on the next one and race upstairs. If the light is on, it is that 2nd switch. If it is off but hot, it was the first switch. Else it is the third switch. If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

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                    Moshe Katz
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                    Member 11762424 wrote:

                    If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

                    Not necessarily true. Every bulb I have ever had has gotten hot - Incandescent, Fluorescent, and LED all produce heat. The latter two just produce less heat, so you need to run quicker.

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                    • P Peter_in_2780

                      The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                      Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                      Slice24
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                      I don't know... my LED bulbs would definitely fit the solution. It pains me to say, but I just checked.

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                      • P Peter_in_2780

                        The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                        Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                        irneb
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                        Agreed. But don't you think you gave it away, through your comment anyway?

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                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                          Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                          User 11000607
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                          It's an analog solution, don't think in digital terms...unless you are well-versed in three-state logic. And yes the solution will work with CFL or LED bulbs, none of them are 100% efficient.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Wouldn't work in this house: some of the switches are "top for off", others are "bottom for off"...:sigh: One of these days I'll sort it out, but I'm afraid the writing won't take changes and I don't want to have to redecorate... :laugh:

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                            James Curran
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                            The "correct" answer requires knowing when a switch is "on" or "off".

                            Truth, James

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                            • J Jorgen Andersson

                              Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                              James Curran
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                              The definite CORRECT solution (It's not the "official" solution) http://ericlippert.com/2011/02/14/what-would-feynman-do/[^]

                              Truth, James

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                              • J Jorgen Andersson

                                Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                Michael Breeden
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                                That was one of the three questions I was asked during an interview with a firm in Westlake Village. I got the job, so I guess I gave the answer that they wanted. Really, it's about common sense. The other question was to solve an equation for variables. It was perhaps solvable or not, but if you experimented by putting in some values, you figured out that any variables where y was x*2 and z was x*3 would work. I thought they were good tests. Common sense and problem solving.

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                                • J Jorgen Andersson

                                  Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  patrickjadams1002
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                                  correct answer assuming all the switches are in the OFF position to begin with is, since you only can make one trip and you dont know which one it is. You turn them ALL on, and then can go. This is a waste of electricity but NOT a waste of time. so depending on the time frame, you can play with switches and guess/deduce with one it "probably" is but .... turning them ALL on, solves the puzzle. :)

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                                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                                    Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    Kirk 10389821
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                                    Okay, I had to think threw it a bit. Of course, my first reaction to the solution was my father yelling at me! And the hint is that you have to change 1 inspection to inspect for 2 potential details, to overcome the 3:1 input:output problem Nice puzzle

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                                    • I Ian Shlasko

                                      Took me a couple minutes, but I remembered the answer... It's a nice warm-up problem... :)

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                                      Me too.

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                                      • P Peter_in_2780

                                        The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                                        Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                                        An in depth exploration of the efficiency of lighting. I think I found this through an image search a while back. http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/05/spectral-extravaganza-the-ultimate-light/[^]

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                                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                                          Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                          SeattleC
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                                          Had this question at a job interview. It's a lateral thinking exercise. My experience with software development over 35 years is that lateral thinking is virtually never a part of the mental toolkit for software development. Oh, by the way, the solution requires that the bulb be an incandescent bulb. It won't work with an LED bulb or electroluminescent night light.

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