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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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    dan sh
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    Someone asked sometime back in QA to create a calculator UI for them. I distinctly remember it was you with that standard "we can't read your HDD" comment and also telling him to figure on his own. Now suffer. :laugh:

    "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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      peterkmx
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      To make things worse , their QA approved it because it is a new standard ... :-)

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Blame whoever thought touchscreens was a good idea.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          Blame whoever thought touchscreens was a good idea.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          OriginalGriff
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          How big are their fingers? :omg: Each button is two inches (5cm) wide, by 1 1/4 inches (3.2cm) high! Are MS employing Manatees as designers now? :laugh:

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            MS called, the problem is that your screen is too big, if you revert to a 12" CRT it will be fine!

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              How big are their fingers? :omg: Each button is two inches (5cm) wide, by 1 1/4 inches (3.2cm) high! Are MS employing Manatees as designers now? :laugh:

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              den2k88
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              On a 4.7" Lumia it would be a bit small but still usable. 99% it is a scaling of the same interface due to "Universal Apps" development, without any upper constraint due to the foucs of developement placed on dumbphones and cyanide tablets.

              GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey "just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                How big are their fingers? :omg: Each button is two inches (5cm) wide, by 1 1/4 inches (3.2cm) high! Are MS employing Manatees as designers now? :laugh:

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                Jorgen Andersson
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                It's all about resolution. Default resolution on a monitor is 96 dpi. Normal resolution nowadays on a phone is ~350dpi. But why on earth couldn't they check if you have touchscreen enabled or not?

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                  devenv exe
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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display?

                  it is a Single-Page Application.

                  "Coming soon"

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    How big are their fingers? :omg: Each button is two inches (5cm) wide, by 1 1/4 inches (3.2cm) high! Are MS employing Manatees as designers now? :laugh:

                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    They designed it that way in order to cater to all their thumb-fingered engineers. :)

                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

                      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                      Duke Carey
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                      That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                        Rage
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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        and frankly not a lot more use...

                        Yep : Calculator[^]

                        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                        • D Duke Carey

                          That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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                          Daniel Pfeffer
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                          :wtf: Why should it even be possible to maximize a calculator window? In the ideal case, it would detect the physical size of the screen (based on the system device parameters), and resize itself so that the buttons were always the same physical size! (There should probably be some configuration options for vision-impaired people, but that should be it!)

                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                            OriginalGriff wrote:

                            how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA?

                            Through our QA.

                            GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey "just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy

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                            Daniel Pfeffer
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                            den2k88 wrote:

                            Through our QA.

                            :omg: :wtf: X|

                            If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                              Richard Deeming
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                              OriginalGriff wrote:

                              And not making it resizable?

                              It's resizable on my machine. Are you sure you haven't got it maximized?


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                              • D Duke Carey

                                That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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                                ZurdoDev
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                                Duke Carey wrote:

                                Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

                                Way to ruin the rant with logic. :doh:

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                                  And not making it resizable?

                                  It's resizable on my machine. Are you sure you haven't got it maximized?


                                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  Certain - it covered most but not all of my screen. And it wasn't resizable - I got no size bars when trying the first time - but it is now, which is weird...:confused:

                                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

                                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                    Marc Clifton
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                                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                                    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard

                                    The irony of that is that just as I clicked on the subject line to read your post, MY cat walked on the keyboard and activated Team Viewer! Marc

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                                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                      den2k88 wrote:

                                      Through our QA.

                                      :omg: :wtf: X|

                                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                      den2k88
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                                      I has to make a calc Universal Apps code plz

                                      GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey "just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Certain - it covered most but not all of my screen. And it wasn't resizable - I got no size bars when trying the first time - but it is now, which is weird...:confused:

                                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                        9082365
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                                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                                        I got no size bars when trying the first time

                                        Well you wouldn't if it was maximised! :doh:

                                        I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                          :wtf: Why should it even be possible to maximize a calculator window? In the ideal case, it would detect the physical size of the screen (based on the system device parameters), and resize itself so that the buttons were always the same physical size! (There should probably be some configuration options for vision-impaired people, but that should be it!)

                                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                          Dan Neely
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                                          Because running full screen on a 5" phone makes sense, on an 8" tablet it may/may not be reasonable; and putting an arbitrary cannot be maximized on screens larger than size X constraint on would result in an equally huge number of "What The Elephant!!!!!11!11one11!elventyone1!!1"s from the peanut gallery. Personally, for the number of times I've sworn at an MS dialog for *NOT* being resizable; I'd very strongly prefer they err on the side of making everything resizable even if it'll leave some people scratching their heads.

                                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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