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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    How big are their fingers? :omg: Each button is two inches (5cm) wide, by 1 1/4 inches (3.2cm) high! Are MS employing Manatees as designers now? :laugh:

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    Daniel Pfeffer
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    They designed it that way in order to cater to all their thumb-fingered engineers. :)

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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      Duke Carey
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      That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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        Rage
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        OriginalGriff wrote:

        and frankly not a lot more use...

        Yep : Calculator[^]

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        • D Duke Carey

          That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          :wtf: Why should it even be possible to maximize a calculator window? In the ideal case, it would detect the physical size of the screen (based on the system device parameters), and resize itself so that the buttons were always the same physical size! (There should probably be some configuration options for vision-impaired people, but that should be it!)

          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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          • D den2k88

            OriginalGriff wrote:

            how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA?

            Through our QA.

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            Daniel Pfeffer
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            den2k88 wrote:

            Through our QA.

            :omg: :wtf: X|

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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              Richard Deeming
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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              And not making it resizable?

              It's resizable on my machine. Are you sure you haven't got it maximized?


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              • D Duke Carey

                That's odd. On my 23 inch monitor it takes up only about 1/6th the screen width and a little over half the screen height. If I maximize it, though, it's grotesque in its appearance. Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

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                ZurdoDev
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                Duke Carey wrote:

                Perhaps yours is opening maximized?

                Way to ruin the rant with logic. :doh:

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                • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  And not making it resizable?

                  It's resizable on my machine. Are you sure you haven't got it maximized?


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                  OriginalGriff
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                  Certain - it covered most but not all of my screen. And it wasn't resizable - I got no size bars when trying the first time - but it is now, which is weird...:confused:

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard

                    The irony of that is that just as I clicked on the subject line to read your post, MY cat walked on the keyboard and activated Team Viewer! Marc

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                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                      den2k88 wrote:

                      Through our QA.

                      :omg: :wtf: X|

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                      den2k88
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                      I has to make a calc Universal Apps code plz

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Certain - it covered most but not all of my screen. And it wasn't resizable - I got no size bars when trying the first time - but it is now, which is weird...:confused:

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        I got no size bars when trying the first time

                        Well you wouldn't if it was maximised! :doh:

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          :wtf: Why should it even be possible to maximize a calculator window? In the ideal case, it would detect the physical size of the screen (based on the system device parameters), and resize itself so that the buttons were always the same physical size! (There should probably be some configuration options for vision-impaired people, but that should be it!)

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                          Dan Neely
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                          Because running full screen on a 5" phone makes sense, on an 8" tablet it may/may not be reasonable; and putting an arbitrary cannot be maximized on screens larger than size X constraint on would result in an equally huge number of "What The Elephant!!!!!11!11one11!elventyone1!!1"s from the peanut gallery. Personally, for the number of times I've sworn at an MS dialog for *NOT* being resizable; I'd very strongly prefer they err on the side of making everything resizable even if it'll leave some people scratching their heads.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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                            Some one Actually Likes the Crap, thats how.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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                              OriginalGriff wrote:

                              For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA?

                              You mean they have a QA department? Now that they have complete control of peoples machines I guess they figure they can do any damn thing they want. And from the looks of lounge posts this morning that's exactly what they're doing.

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                Because running full screen on a 5" phone makes sense, on an 8" tablet it may/may not be reasonable; and putting an arbitrary cannot be maximized on screens larger than size X constraint on would result in an equally huge number of "What The Elephant!!!!!11!11one11!elventyone1!!1"s from the peanut gallery. Personally, for the number of times I've sworn at an MS dialog for *NOT* being resizable; I'd very strongly prefer they err on the side of making everything resizable even if it'll leave some people scratching their heads.

                                Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                Daniel Pfeffer
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                                Fair enough. Reasonable people may disagree on this point.

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                                • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                                  one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display?

                                  It's for "Big Data".

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                                  :laugh: Imagine a calculator program that includes Hadoop support for arbitrarily large numbers with an arbitrary amount of precision.

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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                                    Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                    It's missing the date calculation functions too (or at least was the last time I looked at it). FYI There's a mod somewhere that installs the Windows 7 calculator on Windows 10. That was almost the first thing I did after installing Windows 10, though I can't remember where I got it off the top of my head.

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                                    • P peterkmx

                                      To make things worse , their QA approved it because it is a new standard ... :-)

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                                      Which in turn is used as an example and proof that the new standard is "out there" and we should all use it.

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                                      • D Dan Neely

                                        Because running full screen on a 5" phone makes sense, on an 8" tablet it may/may not be reasonable; and putting an arbitrary cannot be maximized on screens larger than size X constraint on would result in an equally huge number of "What The Elephant!!!!!11!11one11!elventyone1!!1"s from the peanut gallery. Personally, for the number of times I've sworn at an MS dialog for *NOT* being resizable; I'd very strongly prefer they err on the side of making everything resizable even if it'll leave some people scratching their heads.

                                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                        den2k88
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                                        Dan Neely wrote:

                                        Personally, for the number of times I've sworn at an MS dialog for *NOT* being resizable

                                        Also titled: 16:9 monitors and tall option windows. Often hiding only the Apply-Ok-Cancel buttons... :grrrr:

                                        GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey "just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          Dij the Cat just walked across my keyboard and somehow found the "Calculator" key I'd forgotten all about (it's a Logitech keyboard with a number of additional keys, most of which I don't use) And that brought up the Windows 10 calculator. First time I've seen it, and my word but that's bad. Tell me Mr Microsoft Developer: What possible reason is there for replacing the old (working) Win7 Calculator with a new one that almost fills a 22 inch monitor with a 20 button calculator (with memory) and 2cm high result display? Do you seriously think I am going so blind that I need to see numbers in huge mode (despite the rest of the system showing me "normal" text under 3mm high)? And not making it resizable? Even if you switch the stupid thing to "programmer mode" it's the same damn size, and frankly not a lot more use... For elephant's sake - how does this kind of rubbish get through their QA? :confused:

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                                          Interesting as I can re-size my calculator on Win 10 Ver 1511 Build 10586.63

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