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  • S Super Lloyd

    Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

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    Wastedtalent
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    Any online community/reputation system based on subjectivity will never work for everyone.

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    • W W Balboos GHB

      Only let people join your community if the promise to take the part of village idiot. It shows a little humbleness, a light heart, and, if all else fails, since they're considered village idiots, no one will take them seriously.

      Ravings en masse^

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      Johnny J
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      Clickety![^] Have you ever noticed that it seems like the number of children is inversely proportional to the IQ of the parents? :sigh:

      Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
      Anonymous
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      The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
      Winston Churchill, 1944
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      I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
      Me, all the time

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      • S Super Lloyd

        Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

        A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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        Lost User
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        What if we treat this as a huge multi-armed bandit optimization problem. Have the server serve messages (and replies to them, to prevent out-of-context replies) that it thinks could be good for the objective, plus some exploration of course, balancing those goals is what multi-armed bandit is all about. Optimize for .. I don't know exactly. Maybe do some sentiment analysis on the message and replies to it. Hellban people who consistently show bad payout.

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          Clickety![^] Have you ever noticed that it seems like the number of children is inversely proportional to the IQ of the parents? :sigh:

          Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
          Anonymous
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          The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
          Winston Churchill, 1944
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          I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
          Me, all the time

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          Lost User
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          By that standard I qualify as one of our greatest brains.

          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
          "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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            Clickety![^] Have you ever noticed that it seems like the number of children is inversely proportional to the IQ of the parents? :sigh:

            Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
            Anonymous
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            The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
            Winston Churchill, 1944
            -----
            I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
            Me, all the time

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            W Balboos GHB
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            Workers and drones needed in abundance compare to controllers. Because of overtaxed familial resources and typical lack of education that ensues, the condition is typically passed from generation to generation. Localized into breeding colonies of what are often referred to as small towns full of good people.

            Ravings en masse^

            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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            • L Lost User

              By that standard I qualify as one of our greatest brains.

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              W Balboos GHB
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              Or, more likely, a biological cul-de-sac.

              Ravings en masse^

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                Or, more likely, a biological cul-de-sac.

                Ravings en masse^

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                Lost User
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                Looking at the primates and mutants others have produced, I actually did not have to think too hard.

                The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                • S Super Lloyd

                  Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

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                  Lost User
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                  Super Lloyd wrote:

                  I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked?

                  That's easy. Give all offenders troll points and encourage trolling them. :-)

                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                  • S Super Lloyd

                    Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

                    A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                    Tim Carmichael
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                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                    Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast

                    And yet, CodeProject is frequently toxic - review the behavior in the lounge. Toxic behavior is tolerated because of the 'rep' points the posters have.

                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                    I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked?

                    Who watches the watchers that are the worst violators?

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                    • S Super Lloyd

                      Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

                      A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                      JHizzle
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                      I used to moderate a gaming board when I was working nights, you'll never be able to completely prevent toxicity online, you can only remove, warn and then ultimately ban repeat offenders. It's the whole feeling of anonymity that people get online which they think protects them from repercussions (ultimately they're right, there's a limit to what you can do). Continual trolls (the ones who then re-register) are eventually removed via IP bans only...

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                      • T Tim Carmichael

                        Super Lloyd wrote:

                        Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast

                        And yet, CodeProject is frequently toxic - review the behavior in the lounge. Toxic behavior is tolerated because of the 'rep' points the posters have.

                        Super Lloyd wrote:

                        I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked?

                        Who watches the watchers that are the worst violators?

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                        Sean Ewington
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                        I'm watching.

                        Thanks, Sean Ewington CodeProject

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                        • S Super Lloyd

                          Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

                          A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                          Marc Clifton
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                          Super Lloyd wrote:

                          What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity...

                          The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that. Perhaps I demonstrate that point! ;) Marc

                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                            It should probably be enough just to let people know that all moderators are active members of Hells Angels... :doh:

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                            I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
                            Me, all the time

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                            Super Lloyd
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                            Good plan! :P

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                            • S Super Lloyd

                              Apparently toxicity on the internet is a very real problem. When that I experienced first hand in, say, Blizzard's gaming forum. Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast. What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity... Any idea welcome! I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked? I think we can safely say StackOverflow is a total failure here... But I am interested in other example as well...

                              A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                              Chris Maunder
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                              First: good luck. Second: Show respect, always, everywhere. Third: GOTO First.

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                                What if we treat this as a huge multi-armed bandit optimization problem. Have the server serve messages (and replies to them, to prevent out-of-context replies) that it thinks could be good for the objective, plus some exploration of course, balancing those goals is what multi-armed bandit is all about. Optimize for .. I don't know exactly. Maybe do some sentiment analysis on the message and replies to it. Hellban people who consistently show bad payout.

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                                Super Lloyd
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                                Yes, yes, I can see how this would work! :omg: :rolleyes:

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                                  I used to moderate a gaming board when I was working nights, you'll never be able to completely prevent toxicity online, you can only remove, warn and then ultimately ban repeat offenders. It's the whole feeling of anonymity that people get online which they think protects them from repercussions (ultimately they're right, there's a limit to what you can do). Continual trolls (the ones who then re-register) are eventually removed via IP bans only...

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                                  Super Lloyd
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                                  Thanks for your insight!

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                                  • T Tim Carmichael

                                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                                    Though not all community are toxic, CodeProject would be quite positive by contrast

                                    And yet, CodeProject is frequently toxic - review the behavior in the lounge. Toxic behavior is tolerated because of the 'rep' points the posters have.

                                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                                    I was also wondering about a reputation system. Is there any reputation system which worked?

                                    Who watches the watchers that are the worst violators?

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                                    Super Lloyd
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                                    Tim Carmichael wrote:

                                    And yet, CodeProject is frequently toxic - review the behavior in the lounge. Toxic behavior is tolerated because of the 'rep' points the posters have.

                                    Oh.. I missed those parts! :laugh: :-D

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                                      First: good luck. Second: Show respect, always, everywhere. Third: GOTO First.

                                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                                      Super Lloyd
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                                      Thanks! :) It's only a remote possibility at that stage... Need to work harder in my take over the world app first! :laugh:

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                                      • M Marc Clifton

                                        Super Lloyd wrote:

                                        What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity...

                                        The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that. Perhaps I demonstrate that point! ;) Marc

                                        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                                        Super Lloyd
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                                        Damn, I missed out on the toxic Clifton bits! :laugh:

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          Super Lloyd wrote:

                                          What I am investigate is, in the remote possible event where I create my own community website) how to fight the toxicity...

                                          The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that. Perhaps I demonstrate that point! ;) Marc

                                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                                          Johnny J
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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          The problem is that the vast majority of people are toxic, and you can't change that.

                                          Not really - put face to face with the persons they're talking about, not many people would behave the same as they do on the net. It's the anonymity that brings out the wurst in people. You can see it here on CP as well: The members who know each other from daily chit-chat etc treat each other with a reasonable amount of respect (even those who don't like each other all that much), but you can see the same people chew up some innocent newbie with no holds barred. So because I know you and your reputation, I will definitely refrain from calling you a stupid asshat for the comment you just posted... ;)

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                                          I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
                                          Me, all the time

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