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does this count as one programming language?

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  • M maze3

    while reading the EU software development salary survey, oreilly 2016 european software development salart survey [^] i wondered if HTML/JS/CSS should be counted as one language or not. Yes, technically they are 3, but how often does anyone use them completely on their own? HTML on its own, yes. JavaScript, maybe - node doing some fancy server side stuff. CSS, uhm, does this do anything without HTML? If write some JQuery, you could end up writing all your HTML as strings and push to screen. point being, from the survey average used number of respondents languages was 3.6. Well sure, if split them as 3 languages. but how effective are you? Not as effective as someone that knows Bash, Java and Swift (i was gonna put c# and java, but wanted 3 somewhat different languages) So maybe for future surveys, those three (HTML/JS/CSS) should be combined as 1 or 1.5 languages?

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    Most of these surveys are rife with such stupid questions. That's akin to asking a carpenter or an auto mechanic, "How many tools do you use to do your job?" My response: "What blasted difference does it make what the tradesman uses, as long as the end result is a properly constructed house, or well tuned vehicle?" :rolleyes:

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      From that I assume that one of HTML and CSS is. :laugh:

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      Must be HTML. The 'L' in HTML says so.

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      • M maze3

        while reading the EU software development salary survey, oreilly 2016 european software development salart survey [^] i wondered if HTML/JS/CSS should be counted as one language or not. Yes, technically they are 3, but how often does anyone use them completely on their own? HTML on its own, yes. JavaScript, maybe - node doing some fancy server side stuff. CSS, uhm, does this do anything without HTML? If write some JQuery, you could end up writing all your HTML as strings and push to screen. point being, from the survey average used number of respondents languages was 3.6. Well sure, if split them as 3 languages. but how effective are you? Not as effective as someone that knows Bash, Java and Swift (i was gonna put c# and java, but wanted 3 somewhat different languages) So maybe for future surveys, those three (HTML/JS/CSS) should be combined as 1 or 1.5 languages?

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        maze3 wrote:

        i wondered if HTML/JS/CSS should be counted as one language or not.

        JS, no. It can be used outside the browser context. But HTML/CSS should definitely be considered together.

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          HTML IS a Programming Language[^]

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          Darn you. I was going to post the same video.

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            HTML IS a Programming Language[^]

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            Now that is a big chunk of BS from a professor...

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            • M Marc Clifton

              You could consider HTML/CSS to be declarative languages. As for Javascript, I wouldn't call that a language. Marc

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              I didn't say those two are not languages (as in information exchange) but not PROGRAMMING languages (as in information processing) As for the quality of JS - I'm still before my evening meal...

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              • D David Crow

                Most of these surveys are rife with such stupid questions. That's akin to asking a carpenter or an auto mechanic, "How many tools do you use to do your job?" My response: "What blasted difference does it make what the tradesman uses, as long as the end result is a properly constructed house, or well tuned vehicle?" :rolleyes:

                "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                Joe Woodbury
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                True, but I would hope anything that could require maintenance uses a tool that is readily accessible versus something that costs thousands of dollars, takes hours to figure out and is used only once.

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  You could consider HTML/CSS to be declarative languages. As for Javascript, I wouldn't call that a language. Marc

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                  Clifford Nelson
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                  Its a language, it was just a bad choice for web. Now we are stuck with a language that should have died decades ago.

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                    HTML IS a Programming Language[^]

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                    So, does this mean .csv is a programming language?

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                    • N Nathan Minier

                      So, does this mean .csv is a programming language?

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                      No, it's a data format.

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                      • F F ES Sitecore

                        No, it's a data format.

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                        Nathan Minier
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                        Exactly my point after watching that video. Should have added a :-\ I suppose.

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                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                          maze3 wrote:

                          i wondered if HTML/JS/CSS should be counted as one language or not.

                          JS, no. It can be used outside the browser context. But HTML/CSS should definitely be considered together.

                          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                          maze3
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                          yeah, if you know just javascript great. but if know javascript for purpose of html/css use, being that if you want to make a website, you should know these 3 languages combined they are one programming language, is what I was trying to suggest.

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