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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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      Click the "hamburger" menu on the top-left, and switch to Scientific mode. If necessary, resize the calculator window to make it wider. The ln button is then three from the left, second from the bottom, just above n!.


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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        raddevus wrote:

        I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.

        Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

          Click the "hamburger" menu on the top-left, and switch to Scientific mode. If necessary, resize the calculator window to make it wider. The ln button is then three from the left, second from the bottom, just above n!.


          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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          So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

            Click the "hamburger" menu on the top-left, and switch to Scientific mode. If necessary, resize the calculator window to make it wider. The ln button is then three from the left, second from the bottom, just above n!.


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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            I was wondering if I just missed it. I stretched mine out and took a snapshot. Do you see it? Am I missing it? ln button? calculator image[^] This is really odd. It's probably a security issue, right? :laugh:

            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              raddevus wrote:

              I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.

              Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              That's very cool. I forgot about how helpful Google is in this case. Thx. Out of curiosity, do you have the ln button in your win8 win10 calc?

              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words

                Agree 100%! Can you imagine explaining this type of UI design to your manager? "Oh, yeah, we hid that, unless you widen the window." "WHAT!"

                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words

                  Agree 100%! Can you imagine explaining this type of UI design to your manager? "Oh, yeah, we hid that, unless you widen the window." "WHAT!"

                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                  that could be funny... you don't have it as large as mine, that's why you can't use it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    I was wondering if I just missed it. I stretched mine out and took a snapshot. Do you see it? Am I missing it? ln button? calculator image[^] This is really odd. It's probably a security issue, right? :laugh:

                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                    You need to make it wider: Calculator.png (12.2 KB)[^]


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      You need to make it wider: Calculator.png (12.2 KB)[^]


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      Oh my gosh!!! I maximized it and now I see it!!!! This is the worst thing ______EVER_____!!!!!! X| X| Microsoft, you giant failure. I'm laughing so hard.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                        that could be funny... you don't have it as large as mine, that's why you can't use it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        Yeah, this is the ___CRAZIEST UI DESIGN EVER!!!!____ I maximized the window and I finally see it. X| X| X| What a hilarious joke!!! Except, it's not funny. I think I get it.... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                          Oh my gosh!!! I maximized it and now I see it!!!! This is the worst thing ______EVER_____!!!!!! X| X| Microsoft, you giant failure. I'm laughing so hard.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                          Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                            Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                            Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.

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                              So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                              You can also get to the additional functions with the ↑ key. But it's still not the best design. :)


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


                                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

                                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                  Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.

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                                  Someone else mentioned that too. I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that. I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user :laugh: :laugh: It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.

                                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                    Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

                                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                    It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Richard Deeming wrote:

                                      Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished".

                                      That's good. We all know it's all based upon punishment. :D

                                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                        It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                        This is additionally funny because over the weekend while developing my UWP I learned that Universal doesn't mean the app will run on Win8.x and Win10 --- not everywhere and I made this graphic in honor of the terrible UWP experience. Universal - Not what you think it means[^]

                                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                          Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                          Click the UP arrow on the calculator display. It will change log10 to ln, 10^x to e^x, etc. EDIT: Arggh! beaten by Richard!

                                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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