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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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  • N Nelek

    that could be funny... you don't have it as large as mine, that's why you can't use it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    raddevus
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    Yeah, this is the ___CRAZIEST UI DESIGN EVER!!!!____ I maximized the window and I finally see it. X| X| X| What a hilarious joke!!! Except, it's not funny. I think I get it.... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      Oh my gosh!!! I maximized it and now I see it!!!! This is the worst thing ______EVER_____!!!!!! X| X| Microsoft, you giant failure. I'm laughing so hard.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

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        Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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          You can also get to the additional functions with the ↑ key. But it's still not the best design. :)


          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

            Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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            raddevus
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            Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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            • L Lost User

              Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.

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              raddevus
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              Someone else mentioned that too. I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that. I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user :laugh: :laugh: It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.

              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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              • R raddevus

                Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


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                • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                  It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                  Richard Deeming wrote:

                  Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished".

                  That's good. We all know it's all based upon punishment. :D

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                  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                    It's not called "Metro" any more. It's called "UWP". Which stands for "the User is Wrong and must be Punished". :-D


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                    This is additionally funny because over the weekend while developing my UWP I learned that Universal doesn't mean the app will run on Win8.x and Win10 --- not everywhere and I made this graphic in honor of the terrible UWP experience. Universal - Not what you think it means[^]

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                    • R raddevus

                      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                      Click the UP arrow on the calculator display. It will change log10 to ln, 10^x to e^x, etc. EDIT: Arggh! beaten by Richard!

                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        Click the UP arrow on the calculator display. It will change log10 to ln, 10^x to e^x, etc. EDIT: Arggh! beaten by Richard!

                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        raddevus
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                        Thanks very much. This is terrible UI design. Maybe some enjoy this type of thing. Ugh!

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          Click the UP arrow on the calculator display. It will change log10 to ln, 10^x to e^x, etc. EDIT: Arggh! beaten by Richard!

                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                          raddevus
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                          Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top? That's a cool new behavior of the new Windows UI too, isn't it? More user punishment. Here's the insider view of the MS devs at work. Dev 1: Can you imagine when the user (giggle, snort) attempts to resize from the top of the window and he cannot get a resize arrow (giggle, giggle)? Dev 2: That is so funny. Hahaha, s/he'll be chasing the top edge around like a lunatic. X| X| X|

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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                            Philippe Mori
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                            It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...

                            Philippe Mori

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                            • R raddevus

                              Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

                              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                              raddevus wrote:

                              Never would've guessed that.

                              That's how TI scientific calculators work. They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions. Not saying it's a good design for an app but if you are familiar with physical calculators then it's pretty easy to see that all those buttons had the up arrow on them.

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top? That's a cool new behavior of the new Windows UI too, isn't it? More user punishment. Here's the insider view of the MS devs at work. Dev 1: Can you imagine when the user (giggle, snort) attempts to resize from the top of the window and he cannot get a resize arrow (giggle, giggle)? Dev 2: That is so funny. Hahaha, s/he'll be chasing the top edge around like a lunatic. X| X| X|

                                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                raddevus wrote:

                                More user punishment.

                                If only Microsoft would make it possible to write apps that are better than theirs. :-\

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  raddevus wrote:

                                  Never would've guessed that.

                                  That's how TI scientific calculators work. They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions. Not saying it's a good design for an app but if you are familiar with physical calculators then it's pretty easy to see that all those buttons had the up arrow on them.

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  RyanDev wrote:

                                  They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions

                                  That is a good explanation of that. I agree. However, the UI designers definitely needed to think outside that box a bit, I think. It's almost like an airplane engineer thinking, "well, I have to make this thing just like a car, because that is what people know. Now, where do I put the turn signals? Right here by the steering wheel of course." :)

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                                    raddevus wrote:

                                    More user punishment.

                                    If only Microsoft would make it possible to write apps that are better than theirs. :-\

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    raddevus
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                                    They paid Google to do that. See Anrdoid Studio. :laugh: :laugh:

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      Someone else mentioned that too. I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that. I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user :laugh: :laugh: It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.

                                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                      IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".

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                                      • N Nelek

                                        that could be funny... you don't have it as large as mine, that's why you can't use it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        Mark_Wallace
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                                        "Mine's log-size!"

                                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                        • R raddevus

                                          Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:

                                          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                          raddevus wrote:

                                          That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that.

                                          It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons! [edit] And if 'f's looked less like 'd's, too [/edit]

                                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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