Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button
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Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top? That's a cool new behavior of the new Windows UI too, isn't it? More user punishment. Here's the insider view of the MS devs at work. Dev 1: Can you imagine when the user (giggle, snort) attempts to resize from the top of the window and he cannot get a resize arrow (giggle, giggle)? Dev 2: That is so funny. Hahaha, s/he'll be chasing the top edge around like a lunatic. X| X| X|
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raddevus wrote:
Never would've guessed that.
That's how TI scientific calculators work. They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions. Not saying it's a good design for an app but if you are familiar with physical calculators then it's pretty easy to see that all those buttons had the up arrow on them.
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RyanDev wrote:
They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions
That is a good explanation of that. I agree. However, the UI designers definitely needed to think outside that box a bit, I think. It's almost like an airplane engineer thinking, "well, I have to make this thing just like a car, because that is what people know. Now, where do I put the turn signals? Right here by the steering wheel of course." :)
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raddevus wrote:
More user punishment.
If only Microsoft would make it possible to write apps that are better than theirs. :-\
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They paid Google to do that. See Anrdoid Studio. :laugh: :laugh:
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Someone else mentioned that too. I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that. I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user :laugh: :laugh: It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.
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that could be funny... you don't have it as large as mine, that's why you can't use it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Oh my gosh!!! That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that. I think I've figured out Microsoft's design choices... It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now. :laugh: :laugh: That's what Metro means. It's code for "PUNISH THE USER"!! :laugh: :laugh:
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raddevus wrote:
That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that.
It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons! [edit] And if 'f's looked less like 'd's, too [/edit]
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IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".
You had me at...
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Charles Petzold's book
:thumbsup::thumbsup: Great writer.
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Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.
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And here I was... trying to change the behavior of that button by actually clicking on the arrow key and the shift key on my keyboard and expecting them to actually have an effect. I didn't see that array tile on the UI until you specifically told me where it is... :doh:
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Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top? That's a cool new behavior of the new Windows UI too, isn't it? More user punishment. Here's the insider view of the MS devs at work. Dev 1: Can you imagine when the user (giggle, snort) attempts to resize from the top of the window and he cannot get a resize arrow (giggle, giggle)? Dev 2: That is so funny. Hahaha, s/he'll be chasing the top edge around like a lunatic. X| X| X|
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raddevus wrote:
Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top?
That's adobe behaviour, so it's clear that ms is learning from the best.
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Oh my gosh!!! I maximized it and now I see it!!!! This is the worst thing ______EVER_____!!!!!! X| X| Microsoft, you giant failure. I'm laughing so hard.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...:thumbsdown:
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So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen?
There's a show called "Fool Us" where magicians perform in front of Penn and Teller, and P&T try to work out how the trick is done and if they can't the magician has fooled them. Anyway, someone did a trick that replied on this very thing, that certain features of the calculator on Apple devices were only visible when the screen was orientated a certain way. When the magician used the phone he did it landscape to access certain functions and when he handed it to others to use it was given in portrait.
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Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:
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The best thing about is: You can't calculate anything with decimals if you're in programmer mode... You have to switch to another mode for that. X| I prefer one mode for all purposes instead of being forced to switch to different modes. Whoever thought this was a grand idea needs to be slapped as well.
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The best thing about is: You can't calculate anything with decimals if you're in programmer mode... You have to switch to another mode for that. X| I prefer one mode for all purposes instead of being forced to switch to different modes. Whoever thought this was a grand idea needs to be slapped as well.
That problem has existed in all versions of Calculator as far back as I can remember.
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The best thing about is: You can't calculate anything with decimals if you're in programmer mode... You have to switch to another mode for that. X| I prefer one mode for all purposes instead of being forced to switch to different modes. Whoever thought this was a grand idea needs to be slapped as well.
Nicholas Marty wrote:
I prefer one mode for all purposes
Agree 100%. But that would be too good. :laugh:
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So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Yup. It only needs to be 3.5x as wide as the minimum, and even with the history/memory stack sidebar with buttons about 2x as wide as in its minimum layout. And more perversely still it needs to be about 8% wider than its mininum to disable the "shift" in favor of all buttons in 4 rows above the numbers by stretching it vertically.
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raddevus wrote:
Never would've guessed that.
That's how TI scientific calculators work. They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions. Not saying it's a good design for an app but if you are familiar with physical calculators then it's pretty easy to see that all those buttons had the up arrow on them.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
TI is smart enough to use the available space to show what the shifted button is, instead of just drawing an arrow to indicate that there's a shifted mode. :rolleyes: [^]
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You can also get to the additional functions with the ↑ key. But it's still not the best design. :)
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I thought that was to get to the emoji page.
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It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...
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Yes, but they do that because of limited space. The damned OS calculator takes up half the screen before you extend it.
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raddevus wrote:
I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.
Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]
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I'm no fan of google's, but that I like!
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That problem has existed in all versions of Calculator as far back as I can remember.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
It was a possible with the Windows XP calculator at least. I don't remember if it got removed with Windows Vista/7 or later. I thought it was still possible with Windows 7 though, but I might be wrong here.
