Life as developer (on-call)
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Leng Vang wrote:
the pay is among the best ($250-300K)
Geez, at that pay rate, I would have happily written a diagnostic flowchart script and call-forwarded my phone to a call center in India, probably could get away with paying them $15K to take the calls. ;) Marc
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Yeah, highest I've never seen was for 150K-200k, and the 200k was working as a dev on wall street where living expenses are incredibly high.
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe hike my skirt up a bit?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Do it. You got kids to feed after all.
Jeremy Falcon
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Things have changed recently. Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Amazon are really compete for the scarce resource of skilled developers. I, like you, have over 30+ years of development under our belt and with that we also have a lot of architecture experience too, that's why they are really looking for. Here is the recruiter's info: Julian Sanchez | Senior Client Lead, Consumer Recruiting | Amazon E: sanchju@amazon.com P: 206-508-9679
I just started a new development position 2 months ago. Great pay, great benefits, stock options, etc.. Lot's of developers and other professionals here, including PhD's .. and no one makes even close to 250-300. Again, bull$hit.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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Do it. You got kids to feed after all.
Jeremy Falcon
.... and zero scruples ;P
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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I just started a new development position 2 months ago. Great pay, great benefits, stock options, etc.. Lot's of developers and other professionals here, including PhD's .. and no one makes even close to 250-300. Again, bull$hit.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Send your resume to: Julian Sanchez | Senior Client Lead, Consumer Recruiting | Amazon E: sanchju@amazon.com P: 206-508-9679
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I'm curious about us developers whom have the unfortunate (or fortunate depend on your taste) of being on call. I used to do that for 10+ years on my previous job, hated every minute of it. Waking up at 3 am just to solve some silly issue. Recently I just turned down a position with Amazon, the pay is among the best ($250-300K) but I just can't cope with the On-call. What are your opinions on on-call, especially work/life balance goes?
Outsource it :)
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I'm curious about us developers whom have the unfortunate (or fortunate depend on your taste) of being on call. I used to do that for 10+ years on my previous job, hated every minute of it. Waking up at 3 am just to solve some silly issue. Recently I just turned down a position with Amazon, the pay is among the best ($250-300K) but I just can't cope with the On-call. What are your opinions on on-call, especially work/life balance goes?
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I just started a new development position 2 months ago. Great pay, great benefits, stock options, etc.. Lot's of developers and other professionals here, including PhD's .. and no one makes even close to 250-300. Again, bull$hit.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Kevin I hate to tell you this but there are positions out there that pay that sort of money and more, I am of similar experience and have a niche position that is more than comparable. The conditions may be crap but the raw income is excellent.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Work/life balance is a myth
"Coming soon"
Well there are American developers.. And there is the rest of the world! ;P We are pretty good here in Australia!
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Leng Vang wrote:
What are your opinions on on-call, especially work/life balance goes?
It was a requirement at my first job, which quickly no longer applied to me. Slept through some calls, and whenever I didn't I would still have to wake up some coworker to get anything done. You'd get paid extra for it, ofcourse. There's no such thing as work without pay. That simple sentence is a kind of auto-balance system in itself :thumbsup:
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You are my hero! :)
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I'm curious about us developers whom have the unfortunate (or fortunate depend on your taste) of being on call. I used to do that for 10+ years on my previous job, hated every minute of it. Waking up at 3 am just to solve some silly issue. Recently I just turned down a position with Amazon, the pay is among the best ($250-300K) but I just can't cope with the On-call. What are your opinions on on-call, especially work/life balance goes?
I was on call for about two weeks on a project when the usual support person wasn't available. The thing is that they can call you any time, so it limits you - you might have to not go out with friends or at the least take a laptop with you in case you need to handle a call. Being called (waken up) in the middle of the night to resolve an issue isn't fun. It depends on what kind of person you are, but it can influence you in that you don't sleep well because you are expecting to be called. I did get paid for the overtime though, so that was nice, but I wouldn't want do it again and definitely not for an extended period.
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Work/life balance is a myth
"Coming soon"
It can be hit and myth, thyure, but you've got to take the rough with the shmooth.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Work so that you might live, do not live to work.
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NotPolitcallyCorrect wrote:
Work so that you might live, do not live to work.
I believe the absolute reverse of that. If you don't love your work, your life's not worth living.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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NotPolitcallyCorrect wrote:
Work so that you might live, do not live to work.
I believe the absolute reverse of that. If you don't love your work, your life's not worth living.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
your life's not worth living
Ah, so, if you spend your whole life working, when do you have time to live?
Speed of sound - 1100 ft/sec Speed of light - 186,000 mi/sec Speed of stupid - instantaneous.
Everyone* spends the majority of their waking hours working. If you hate your work, you're pretty much screwed. * Everyone with a full-time job, that is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm curious about us developers whom have the unfortunate (or fortunate depend on your taste) of being on call. I used to do that for 10+ years on my previous job, hated every minute of it. Waking up at 3 am just to solve some silly issue. Recently I just turned down a position with Amazon, the pay is among the best ($250-300K) but I just can't cope with the On-call. What are your opinions on on-call, especially work/life balance goes?
As a freelancer, I'm usually the only contact my clients have with any technical knowledge at all (certainly regarding applications, sometimes regarding hosted websites etc too). Therefore, if there's a problem - I'm the only one who can fix it. That means effectively being permanently on-call not only for my "current" (active) clients but all my clients still running my software. That means you might not have dealt with someone for 2 or 3 years, but if their hard-disk suddenly gets full, or a d/b gets corrupted, you either choose to deal with it, or you effectively write off any chance they might come back to you for future work. (as well as having to live with the knowledge you may have just caused their business to fail). In fact problems are often a trigger for them to re-contact you, remember how f***ing awesome you are, and decide that they can't put off that enhancement project any longer. I make sure all my clients fully understand I'm a one-man band, and simply can't be available 24x7x52, but that I will always do my best to get them out of whatever tight spot they get into, support-wise. Knowing that you're the go-to person for any problem really helps to focus the mind during development, too, as you need to account for those "once-in-a-year" edge cases; if you don't, you can bet they occur at the most inopportune time for you to fix. You have to factor in "lifetime support" when billing for development; with a client who doesn't know you, that can seem expensive so you need good referrals and reputation. Most importantly, you simply need to love doing what you do; then when you get called away from your favourite film, or some other thing you were really happy to be doing, it's not that big a sacrifice. The hard bit is being as equally "on-call" to family and friends. If a system goes down, get it back up and running a.s.a.p. and fix the root cause at a more convenient time.
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Everyone* spends the majority of their waking hours working. If you hate your work, you're pretty much screwed. * Everyone with a full-time job, that is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I don't hate my work, it has plenty of fun moments and is fulfilling, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't get paid. There are dozens of other things I would be doing if I didn't need the money; family, friends, enthusiasms. It's an amazing world out there beyond my programs. That's how I see it. That reminds me of a great quote about the "world" though not specifically relevant to the discussion. " You can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q, Star Trek Next Gen
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I don't hate my work, it has plenty of fun moments and is fulfilling, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't get paid. There are dozens of other things I would be doing if I didn't need the money; family, friends, enthusiasms. It's an amazing world out there beyond my programs. That's how I see it. That reminds me of a great quote about the "world" though not specifically relevant to the discussion. " You can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q, Star Trek Next Gen
Sorry, but all Sci-Fi quotes directed at me have to be either from Firefly or The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy (but NOT the godawful disney atrocity!)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Everyone* spends the majority of their waking hours working. If you hate your work, you're pretty much screwed. * Everyone with a full-time job, that is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
If you hate your work
If has nothing at all to do with loving or hating your work.
Speed of sound - 1100 ft/sec Speed of light - 186,000 mi/sec Speed of stupid - instantaneous.
Ah, that explains it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!