What's this called in English?
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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The U.S. English term is 'contracting'. You are a contractor, employed by company A, and you are contracting for company B.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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It seems you're a full-time employee at A, who contracts you out to B. Like a consulting company, their full-time employees (consultants) are "useless" to them unless they're billable (bringing in money because they're contracted out to a client). /ravi
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English?
Fucked mate. Thats what we call you in English. Fucked. I mean, gedetacheered? You must be upgefucked to even be in that position!
Munchies_Matt wrote:
You must be upgefucked
:laugh: It's not so bad actually, there's a good salary (even when I'm not working for another company), a company car (I get to choose the make, type, etc.), unlimited free private km's (with a tank card), good learning possibilities (also all paid for) and pretty good secondary working conditions :D The only downside is my commute, currently 120 km single trip :sigh: That's just for this customer though, my next one will be closer.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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I think you would be considered as a subcontractor. In Bentley I was a contractor because, although I was working through a recruitment agency, the contract was renewed every year and contracts were mostly advertised via that recruitment agency. I had some of the perks the permies enjoyed, such as discount on employee shop and being able to attend the company update briefings. They also contracted work out to other companies who would be subcontractors, who Didn't have any perks.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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Are you the Boogie woogie Bugle boy of company B?
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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Lots of odd answers here, most of which I don't agree with. In English English, 'outsourcing' is company A paying company B to do work for them. Contracting is hiring people on short-term contracts, either directly or via an agency, to do work for them. Landlord (what?) is about property, not people. When a department in company A lends employees to another department, or another company it owns, but your employee rights are unchanged, that's 'secondment'.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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I'm an engineer who's done project management (of engineering, not software, projects). My firm has been contracted by the final customer to install some equipment. I've contracted other firms to make and install that equipment. My firm was the Main Contractor, and the firms I used were my sub-contractors. You're in exactly the same position as I was. So in real English, your firm A is a contractor to firm B. You are an employee of firm A, but in firm B's eyes, you are a contractor too. Technically, you take instructions not from firm B, but from firm A. If firm B wants something done, they (technically, clearly not in practise), give their instructions to firm A, and firm A instructs you. That should work in the other direction too: if you can't do something, you tell your manager at firm A, and they tell the customer firm B that it can't be done. My technique was normally to tell the two parties to talk directly, but to keep me informed. I guess that's what you normally do.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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In South Africa we also use Labour brokering[^]. This *usually* indicates that the person providing the actual work is not permanently employed by anyone. When we actually are *employed* by company A but provide work to company B then company A is referred to, in most instances, as a consultancy and the person doing the actual work is regarded as a consultant. Currently I work directly for a company on contract so I am an independent contractor. I have been everything :) "Outsourcing" refers more to what company B is doing in obtaining services from either a labour broker, consultancy, or contractor. That how things roll in SA in any event... Sometimes concepts just don't translate properly as a bit of the meaning gets lost along the way.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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Consultant is the most fitting description so far. It sounds like you were assigned to do on-site consulting work for company B and are now in the process of getting reassigned to a different client of company A. That's what we call it where I work. You're a reassigned consultant.
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Consultant is the most fitting description so far. It sounds like you were assigned to do on-site consulting work for company B and are now in the process of getting reassigned to a different client of company A. That's what we call it where I work. You're a reassigned consultant.
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It's not completely like that. Company B does not have the intention of keeping me or bringing me in full time. Likewise, company A is investing in me so I have more knowledge so more companies would want me and they can sell me for more money. They don't want to get rid of me! Company B just pays the bill company A sends them every month and company A pays for me, my car, my education, retirement, insurance, etc. Company B can ditch me whenever, but if company A wants to ditch me they'll have to do quite a bit of trouble :)
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its exactly like that you're a contractor or consultant company A has contracted you out to company B
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In Business yes. And it (landlord) is not generally bad. I'm exactly employed in that way, let me try to explain: I was originally employed by B, became part of a bigger Organisation where A is also a member. Do to some restructions and optimizations (financial, organisation and much more locations) the Team "B" was moved (organizational whise) to A... but our main Job is to work for B. So I'm employed finally from "landlord" A, which in my case was a very big Advantage, because A is financially very strong (at present B became also strong, so that is not longer a point) but working for B. Sorry for my bad English. I hope you get an idea what I try to say. If not it is also not a big Thing in history :-D
JustWatchLittle wrote:
Sorry for my bad English. I hope you get an idea what I try to say. If not it is also not a big Thing in history :-D
Unfortunately I think it's your limited English speaking, and while whatever term you use in your native language encompasses landlord in English it has additional meanings that map to different English terms. Your usage isn't American English; I've never seen it used as British English, and checking a few online dictionaries fails to find any mention of that usage that I might've overlooked or disregarded over the years.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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What you describe is might be referred to as an operations support organization ( Company A), consultancy, or contracting company. The differences between these three would be: * Operations Support Org. - Company A contracts with Company B to provide a staff for a specific function to facilitate the operations of Company B. Example HP Enterprise Services, Accenture, etc. The staff of company A are dedicated to company B's operations for specific purposes for length of time and/or objective. * Consultancy - (the contracting of experts) Company A provides an elite individual or team, to provide supplemental services related to a specific objective which is the specialty of the experts. These tend to be determined more on a basis of the completion of the objective rather than a span of time. Operations Support Org's are more focused on providing a service for a specified duration of time. * Contracting Company - Here the focus of company A is to provide individuals for company B, an those individuals function as temporary employees for Company B. In the other two scenarios the management of the individuals involved in the service are employees of Company A. While in this case the 'contracted individual' reports to the management of Company B. Your description however most resembles the function of a Contracting organization where at the discretion of Company B and the employee being contracted.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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In the States it is called being "cut"... But as another poster replied, it can also be called "confused"... :)
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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A more proper term used in UK is Consultants!
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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In American English: The more common and polite word is "reassign" - Company A reassigns you from company B to somewhere else, or less commonly "unassigns" or "removes" or "withdraws" or "detaches" you from company B. With respect to company B, you've been "reassigned" (most common) or "detached" (less common).
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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You were a "contractor" at company B. Your contract at company B finished, expired, was ended, terminated. The reason why you aren't working at company B anymore has some bearing as to how it is described. The contract "ended" is probably the most general with the least negative association.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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Basically, Company A = Temp agency.
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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Seconded is a valid word for it. It's a bit old fashioned and mainly British but it works. Accent is on 'Con', not 'Sec' (like 'second'). "Transfer of a military officer or corporate executive to another post for temporary duty." Works perfectly. "Am I "seconded" at company B? Yes. (seconded to might be better). Does company A do "secondment"? Yes.
