The POTUS
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It was the NY Daily News, not the Times in this case. NO doubt they're just as bad - anything that isn't along the right lines is propaganda; anything that is, is objective truth - right? "We" can think clearly. "They" are brainwashed. Ho-hum.
A_Griffin wrote:
"We" can think clearly. "They" are brainwashed. Ho-hum.
:rolleyes: Hate to destroy your preconceived opinions of me but... I'm not a bible thumping, knee jerk Republican. In fact, I'm not a Republican at all - I'm an independent. I'm not a political neophyte either - I've been following US politics pretty closely since my teens (think Jimmy Carter) and have been a student of US politics in the modern era (think JFK to present). I'd label myself a proponent of classical liberalism[^]. Socially I'm pretty liberal - pro choice, equal rights for all genders / races / creeds, full rights (including marriage) for LGBTQ community, legalized marijuana, legalized prostitution, etc... Fiscally I'm very conservative. I want a very small government and low taxes. Charity should come from actual charities not the government. I deplore the idea of a nanny state. Immigration into the US should be done legally and kept to reasonable numbers. Given all this I don't defend everything Trump or GOP. I'm fully capable of reading newspapers and magazines (I read many of them from all political stripes) and making my own opinions. After all these years one notices patterns and sees trends. Nearly all of the big newspapers in the major cities (NY, LA, Chicago, SF) lean far left. During Republican administrations they go into attack mode. They are actively looking to find fault, to subvert and to promote the left. During Democrat administrations they are actively looking to hide fault and to promote their agenda. They went overboard supporting the Obama administration. They've taken it to an entirely new level of attack with Trump as POTUS. Certainly Trump deserves a full helping of criticism at times, but the current environment of hatred and accusations from the left is not healthy. They've opened a Pandora's Box and I fear it will be quite difficult to close.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I find it truly astonishing the depth of hypocrisy that are plumbed when a poly uses plain speech. Some of the countries on this planet are absolute shitholes.
Of course the counter to that is that the president of the US, who in not in fact just some politician, is responsible for a great number of things, including diplomacy with the rest of the world. Consequently it is reasonable for one to presume that a responsible and intelligent president, despite his private thoughts on the matter, would restrain himself, most of the time when expressing himself. Doesn't mean that sometimes he cannot be forthright, but just as it is shocking to see a 5 year old shout 'f*ck' for the first time, seeing a 20 year old that starts every sentence that way only suggests that the 20 year old did not in fact learn how to be an adult and is in fact not very intelligent.
jschell wrote:
seeing a 20 year old that starts every sentence that way only suggests that the 20 year old did not in fact learn how to be an adult and is in fact not very intelligent.
The biggest difference is that the 20 years old might still has time to learn and might be more polite on his/her 30ies... Sepaking about someone 60+ years old... it is another thing
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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A_Griffin wrote:
"We" can think clearly. "They" are brainwashed. Ho-hum.
:rolleyes: Hate to destroy your preconceived opinions of me but... I'm not a bible thumping, knee jerk Republican. In fact, I'm not a Republican at all - I'm an independent. I'm not a political neophyte either - I've been following US politics pretty closely since my teens (think Jimmy Carter) and have been a student of US politics in the modern era (think JFK to present). I'd label myself a proponent of classical liberalism[^]. Socially I'm pretty liberal - pro choice, equal rights for all genders / races / creeds, full rights (including marriage) for LGBTQ community, legalized marijuana, legalized prostitution, etc... Fiscally I'm very conservative. I want a very small government and low taxes. Charity should come from actual charities not the government. I deplore the idea of a nanny state. Immigration into the US should be done legally and kept to reasonable numbers. Given all this I don't defend everything Trump or GOP. I'm fully capable of reading newspapers and magazines (I read many of them from all political stripes) and making my own opinions. After all these years one notices patterns and sees trends. Nearly all of the big newspapers in the major cities (NY, LA, Chicago, SF) lean far left. During Republican administrations they go into attack mode. They are actively looking to find fault, to subvert and to promote the left. During Democrat administrations they are actively looking to hide fault and to promote their agenda. They went overboard supporting the Obama administration. They've taken it to an entirely new level of attack with Trump as POTUS. Certainly Trump deserves a full helping of criticism at times, but the current environment of hatred and accusations from the left is not healthy. They've opened a Pandora's Box and I fear it will be quite difficult to close.
Well…. it’s quite astonishing really how you and the Republicans (if you want to distance yourself from them, but you’re at one here) can do a complete volte face without even blinking. To say it’s the Left that has “opened a Pandora’s box” is staggering – it's the Republicans who have done that. The left, for all their faults, were just bumbling along as usual (wasn’t that half the appeal of Trump - that he offered something ”different”?) and it was the Republicans who have lurched further and further to extremes. Dubya was bad enough, then they came up with Sarah Palin, but even she wasn’t quite loony enough, so finally they came up with Trump. It is he who has demeaned the office of POTUS by taking lying to a new level – which is quite an achievement for a politician; he who has courted the extreme fascist Right, to the extent that people feel free to march in the streets of America openly wearing Nazi insignia; he who is fanning the flames of racism and xenophobia. Trump has opened the box – don’t complain to anyone but him if you don’t like the smell coming out with the wind. But you're right about one thing: closing that box is going to be nigh on impossible. Just remember who opened it.
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Well…. it’s quite astonishing really how you and the Republicans (if you want to distance yourself from them, but you’re at one here) can do a complete volte face without even blinking. To say it’s the Left that has “opened a Pandora’s box” is staggering – it's the Republicans who have done that. The left, for all their faults, were just bumbling along as usual (wasn’t that half the appeal of Trump - that he offered something ”different”?) and it was the Republicans who have lurched further and further to extremes. Dubya was bad enough, then they came up with Sarah Palin, but even she wasn’t quite loony enough, so finally they came up with Trump. It is he who has demeaned the office of POTUS by taking lying to a new level – which is quite an achievement for a politician; he who has courted the extreme fascist Right, to the extent that people feel free to march in the streets of America openly wearing Nazi insignia; he who is fanning the flames of racism and xenophobia. Trump has opened the box – don’t complain to anyone but him if you don’t like the smell coming out with the wind. But you're right about one thing: closing that box is going to be nigh on impossible. Just remember who opened it.
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Damn! You REALLY enjoy that Kool-Aid! But I suppose that's to be expected of a hardcore socialist (ie. budding communist). ;P
:thumbsup: #hasnoclue
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Like your president, huh? There was a time when the POTUS was perhaps the most respected person and position on the planet. Now your own NY daily paper uses a big pile pf sh*t to represent him. Wake up.
A_Griffin wrote:
There was a time when the POTUS was perhaps the most respected person and position on the planet.
Bush junior? Dont you remember the piss that the U< press took out of him because of how he speaks?
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Damn! You REALLY enjoy that Kool-Aid! But I suppose that's to be expected of a hardcore socialist (ie. budding communist). ;P
#rightbackatyou I'm well past the age of "budding". But I ma not, never have been, and never will be, a communist. I did want to say though, I apologise if I come over as being rude - I don't really mean to be (usually.. to most people... most of the time...!) but I do get het up in arguments sometimes - even online ones when one has time to cool (kool?) down, and just fire things off...
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A_Griffin wrote:
There was a time when the POTUS was perhaps the most respected person and position on the planet.
Bush junior? Dont you remember the piss that the U< press took out of him because of how he speaks?
True - the damage was started in the Nixon era, really, but even in GB's case, although he was taken the mick out of (rather unkindly, it must be said - it's never nice to mock someone for a speech impediment) it was a) never with as much malice as Trump attracts - no-ne ever depicted him as pile of shit - and b) the office (as opposed to the person) of POTUS wasn't demeaned as much as it is now. Trump has managed to drag things to a new low.
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Damn! You REALLY enjoy that Kool-Aid! But I suppose that's to be expected of a hardcore socialist (ie. budding communist). ;P
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True - the damage was started in the Nixon era, really, but even in GB's case, although he was taken the mick out of (rather unkindly, it must be said - it's never nice to mock someone for a speech impediment) it was a) never with as much malice as Trump attracts - no-ne ever depicted him as pile of shit - and b) the office (as opposed to the person) of POTUS wasn't demeaned as much as it is now. Trump has managed to drag things to a new low.
A_Griffin wrote:
much malice as Trump attracts - no-ne ever depicted him as pile of sh*t
A_Griffin wrote:
Trump has managed to drag things to a new low.
So the leftist media prints a picture of Trump as a pile of shit - and it's Trumps fault for making them do it? Nice example of how nothing is the Lefts fault in fact they're not even responsible for their own actions.
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A_Griffin wrote:
much malice as Trump attracts - no-ne ever depicted him as pile of sh*t
A_Griffin wrote:
Trump has managed to drag things to a new low.
So the leftist media prints a picture of Trump as a pile of shit - and it's Trumps fault for making them do it? Nice example of how nothing is the Lefts fault in fact they're not even responsible for their own actions.
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Seriously - what is it in that post that is down to "Kool-Aid"? Are you really blaming the Democrats for Trump's outrages?
A_Griffin wrote:
Seriously - what is it in that post that is down to "Kool-Aid"?
That you accept the media's version of Trump hook, line and sinker. Don't even question it. It's funny - I don't recall you posting about any of Obama's scandals.
A_Griffin wrote:
Are you really blaming the Democrats for Trump's outrages?
Nope - Trump is a big boy. I just wish the media would even be half so anxious to destroy liberals as they are to destroy others. It gets old.
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Yeah but such things don't come from nothing. Call people sh*tholes and you can't complain about being called shit yourself, can you?
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A_Griffin wrote:
Call people sh*tholes
More of that Kool-aid?! He didn't call ANYONE a shithole. He called a couple COUNTRIES shitholes. Big difference. Kind of like when people call the US the "Great Satan"... right? Or burn the American flag?
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A_Griffin wrote:
Seriously - what is it in that post that is down to "Kool-Aid"?
That you accept the media's version of Trump hook, line and sinker. Don't even question it. It's funny - I don't recall you posting about any of Obama's scandals.
A_Griffin wrote:
Are you really blaming the Democrats for Trump's outrages?
Nope - Trump is a big boy. I just wish the media would even be half so anxious to destroy liberals as they are to destroy others. It gets old.
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That you accept the media's version of Trump hook, line and sinker. Don't even question
God that is such a boring old trope of an argument. "I am rational and independent of thought - you are brainwashed and unthinking." Is that all you've got? Get over yourself.
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That's not really a relevant difference, but let me re-phrase it for you: call peoples' country a sh*thole and you can't complain if you get called a sh*thole back, can you?
A_Griffin wrote:
That's not really a relevant difference
Its a very relevant difference. Folks (like you) who don't see the difference (or don't want to) are calling the comment racist. It's not racist to call a country a shithole - it might even be accurate.
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That you accept the media's version of Trump hook, line and sinker. Don't even question
God that is such a boring old trope of an argument. "I am rational and independent of thought - you are brainwashed and unthinking." Is that all you've got? Get over yourself.
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A_Griffin wrote:
That's not really a relevant difference
Its a very relevant difference. Folks (like you) who don't see the difference (or don't want to) are calling the comment racist. It's not racist to call a country a shithole - it might even be accurate.
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A_Griffin wrote:
God that is such a boring old trope of an argument.
If the shoe fits... You spout nothing but crap spewed by the media... my statement stands.
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Point me to where I called that comment racist. Otherwise stfu putting words in my mouth.