[solved] Mrs or Ms, sorry if it is a Leslie
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0x01AA wrote:
But English!!! it is a big Problem for me. I'm following CCC daily but I never had any clue how to solve it :(
Don't feel bad. English is my first language and most of the time I can't do the CCC :laugh:
I am a native English speaker. I also speak fluent Spanish and OK French. I'm trying to start Nepali, since my son-in-law is from Nepal. I studied Russian for a year, but don't speak it. English is a horrible language. There are so many exceptions and the way it is spelled will drive a Zen master insane. Change of subject. I speak fluent Spanish, but I can't imagine taking a university course in Spanish. I greatly admire any non native English speaker taking English College courses. They are amazing.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Dear AppropriateGenderPronoun, Dear Ms. X, or, just drop it: Dear Jane, or, title it: Dear CEO Jane xxx, but NEVER EVER: Dear Leader, that is exclusively reserved for NK...
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Serious boring answer: always use "Ms" in business communication, even for a woman you know is married. Marital status is irrelevant in business so it's best to not even make the distinction.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
I simply stopped using any form of salutation, especially because official ranks were involved, and those often changed. If I had to for a known female, however, I would use Ms.
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Probably not - but it's similar to the Frau / Fraulein in German: some ladies object to assumptions of marital status so it's "safer" to use neutral terms. German went all "Frau", English moved more away from "Mrs" to the new "more feminist" "Ms".
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I'm with Griff, on this one. 1. For formal letters to an individuals, it was "Mr." or "Ms." and last name. No knowledge of marital status necessary--"Miss" was already out the door (typing class from 30+ years ago) 2. For mixed groups (male, female) audience, use "Ladies and Gentlemen," (military knocked this one in my head) 3. If you're _sure_ it's going to be a male- or femal-only audience, "Gentlemen," or "Ladies,", respectively. (again, military). All of these are, at their base, built on older views on how societies work. OTOH, they generally get me through all the more common sticky wickets.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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0x01AA wrote:
How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms?
I'd go with: Dear Sir/Madam:
I'm retired. There's a nap for that... - Harvey
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I am a native English speaker. I also speak fluent Spanish and OK French. I'm trying to start Nepali, since my son-in-law is from Nepal. I studied Russian for a year, but don't speak it. English is a horrible language. There are so many exceptions and the way it is spelled will drive a Zen master insane. Change of subject. I speak fluent Spanish, but I can't imagine taking a university course in Spanish. I greatly admire any non native English speaker taking English College courses. They are amazing.
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You said you'd written to her before, so presumably she has replied to you. How did she sign it? Ms, Mrs or Jane? First contact should be Dear Sir/Madam, or Dear Ms Doe. Subsequent contact use whatever she signs off as.
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Simple solutions are: Just use their first name Dr/Prof (overstating their qualifications/flattery never does any harm!) Lady/Highness - good for grovelling/being sarcastic However we really need a modern, polite term to address a person of any gender/martial status with or without a name. Bit like the old 'Dear Sir' Perhaps Dear Hum (as in Human) Dear Sap (as in Homo Sapiens and has the benefit of annoying any Neanderthals still around) or my favourite Dear XYX - covers nearly everyone
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If you are replying to an email/letter use the name the person signed off on the email to you. If it is Mrs. Jane Doe then use that. If it is Ms. Jane Doe then use that. If it is Jane Doe then use that. BTW you worry far too much. As long as you don't open with "Hey Bitch!" you are probably OK. :laugh:
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That's exactly what we learned in English class at school. Disclaimer: At least officially, we wer taught "British" English. Maybe the use of Ms is different in American English.
Member 7989122 wrote:
At least officially, we wer [sic] taught "British" English.
Me too.
Member 7989122 wrote:
Maybe the use of Ms is different in American English.
'Tis the same. :) /ravi
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Dear AppropriateGenderPronoun, Dear Ms. X, or, just drop it: Dear Jane, or, title it: Dear CEO Jane xxx, but NEVER EVER: Dear Leader, that is exclusively reserved for NK...
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I simply stopped using any form of salutation, especially because official ranks were involved, and those often changed. If I had to for a known female, however, I would use Ms.
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0x01AA wrote:
This is no joke question!
As if this will stop the silly responses. :laugh:
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Yes, the name Leslie can be a tough one, being an androgynous name, like Pat, or Jordan. If you know the first name, it's best just to address them as such and leave off the last name...unless you live in the Southern US, where it is proper to put a Mr. or Ms. before the first name, usually for older folks. So either Leslie, or Ms. Leslie...unless it's a guy, then it's Leslie, or Mr. Leslie, or just Les, depending on how well you now him...but don't call him Ray! :laugh:
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Generally speaking, Leslie is male and Lesley is the female version. That used to be almost always the case; these days you occasionally find exceptions but I suspect they are often spelling errors on the part of the parent or registrar! In the UK at least it would be very strange to be addressed as Mr Fred, or Ms Susan (without a surname). Confuses the formality of a title with the informality of a first name. When we see it we generally assume the writer is not a native English speaker. We see it most in spam emails and also hear it in calls from Indian call centres... Of course, if you're writing a letter of complaint, a good salutation is the firm but simple Sir,
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Now to add to your worries: :) If you start with "Dear Sir/Madam", make sure you sign off with, "Yours faithfully". If you start with their name, sign off with "Yours sincerely". Yours faithfully or Yours sincerely?[^]
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
I always use Ms. I don't differentiate the treatment of men depending on if they are married or not, so I do the same with women. In Spain, to call the equivalent to Mrs to a woman is something quite old-fashioned -usually it comes from seniors- and considered offensive. But could be acceptable for a teenager.
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How should I address a woman in a business letter / mail: Mrs or Ms? [Edit] And of course in Business relation, I don't know whether she is married or not (and what other light or dark things she is doing) [Edit] [Edit1] This is no joke question! [Edit1] Btw. For this, Wiki is something too much theoretical. I like to have pragmatic solution from real people here :-D
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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