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Why (western) humans use the decimal system?

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  • P Patrice T

    We count in base 10, but some names remain from the past. :-D The dozen is still in little usage: 2 dozen eggs

    Patrice “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” Albert Einstein

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    The dozen, I suspect, is also based on fingers. It's a system that emanates from East Anglia.

    98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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        Is it really because we have ten fingers? Would it then not be more logical to use then a system based on 11?:confused: :laugh: Btw: I'm Aware, it took a longer time to recognize that "Zero" also exists. From what I remember it was somebody from India who recognized this fact first. [Edit] Try to imagine we would have only one finger...

        It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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        Kirill Illenseer
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        11 is far from logical. Afterall, using an 11-based system would exclude roughly half of the population from counting.

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        • P PeejayAdams

          The dozen, I suspect, is also based on fingers. It's a system that emanates from East Anglia.

          98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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          milo xml
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          I read something on this once. From what I recall, 12 is used for dozen and timekeeping because it was easier to break down into fractions with no remainder. 10 is divisible by 2 and 5 whereas 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6.

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            I have nothing to add, just wanted to say that this is a great example of why I like this place. i. Interesting questions ii. Lot's of really smart people here with intelligent or humorous (both entertaining) answers ..even on a weekend! :)

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            I second this. I learn a lot in these discussions. :D

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              Is it really because we have ten fingers? Would it then not be more logical to use then a system based on 11?:confused: :laugh: Btw: I'm Aware, it took a longer time to recognize that "Zero" also exists. From what I remember it was somebody from India who recognized this fact first. [Edit] Try to imagine we would have only one finger...

              It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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              Kirk 10389821
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              It's hard to see the past with future knowledge. There were 2 concepts. COUNTING, which everyone had to learn how to do. And NOBODY bothered COUNTING ZERO of something. Does a cow farmer record ZERO Sheep, ZERO Goats, etc... Nope, he counts cows... And if the count is ZERO... I am certain he is in PANIC mode. LOL The other concept was MATH. And that is where ZERO is a strict requirement. And we learn numbers first, then math to this day, but we learn more math sooner. Also, I have a daughter, I remember teaching her to count. I can't remember teaching her to start at ZERO. == Here is something interesting about the NAMES for our numbers. Which are NOT good names in English. Because we USED to use BASE 12. The repetition parallel naming starts at 21 (21, 31, 41). But not 11 (which should be tenny-one, or ten-1 or One-teen [best]... Indicating 10 Plus one) But because we used to be base 12 (12 inches in a foot, 12 in dozen, etc)... the TEENS start at 13. Also, implied... Many people were counting much passed this. And mathematically speaking... Base 12 was superior. It divides by 2,3 and 4. Something 10 cannot do without decimals. And don't get me started with decimals. try that in ROMAN Numerals. In fact, division of Roman Numerals (without converting to decimal in your head), takes YEARS to master. So, now we realize we have COUNTING, MATH, and REPRESENTATION... The last one becomes important. How many times have you seen someone open and close their hands to tell you a bigger number like 20, or 30... Do that using Hexadecimal Representation. LOL...

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                It's hard to see the past with future knowledge. There were 2 concepts. COUNTING, which everyone had to learn how to do. And NOBODY bothered COUNTING ZERO of something. Does a cow farmer record ZERO Sheep, ZERO Goats, etc... Nope, he counts cows... And if the count is ZERO... I am certain he is in PANIC mode. LOL The other concept was MATH. And that is where ZERO is a strict requirement. And we learn numbers first, then math to this day, but we learn more math sooner. Also, I have a daughter, I remember teaching her to count. I can't remember teaching her to start at ZERO. == Here is something interesting about the NAMES for our numbers. Which are NOT good names in English. Because we USED to use BASE 12. The repetition parallel naming starts at 21 (21, 31, 41). But not 11 (which should be tenny-one, or ten-1 or One-teen [best]... Indicating 10 Plus one) But because we used to be base 12 (12 inches in a foot, 12 in dozen, etc)... the TEENS start at 13. Also, implied... Many people were counting much passed this. And mathematically speaking... Base 12 was superior. It divides by 2,3 and 4. Something 10 cannot do without decimals. And don't get me started with decimals. try that in ROMAN Numerals. In fact, division of Roman Numerals (without converting to decimal in your head), takes YEARS to master. So, now we realize we have COUNTING, MATH, and REPRESENTATION... The last one becomes important. How many times have you seen someone open and close their hands to tell you a bigger number like 20, or 30... Do that using Hexadecimal Representation. LOL...

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                Impressive, thanks for this :thumbsup:

                It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                • M Mladen Jankovic

                  [Because every base is base 10](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9468c7f3d7bcef7b0f2d0fdf83328d4)

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                  Andre Pereira
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                  Please explain.

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                    Please explain.

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                    Mladen Jankovic
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                    How would you represent number 16dec in hexadecimal system? 8dec in octal? 2dec in binary? Base of any numerical system is represented as 10 in it's own base.

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                    • M Mladen Jankovic

                      How would you represent number 16dec in hexadecimal system? 8dec in octal? 2dec in binary? Base of any numerical system is represented as 10 in it's own base.

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                      Andre Pereira
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                      You just ran over a math's train over my head. It truly is mathematically indistinguishable :p

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