Time
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So I looked it up:
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Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space throughout the entire Universe. One contribution to the vacuum energy may be from virtual particles which are thought to be particle pairs that blink into existence and then annihilate in a timespan too short to observe.Sep 18, 2016
Note the portion I underlined. If one had a total void, that includes everything. Not just 'matter' - especially since matter and energy are interchangeable. You bring forward what can be an interesting side-bar:
Chris C-B wrote:
Most of the mass/energy of a neutron is due to the spontaneous generation of particles within its empty spaces.
This begs a question: you used the term 'most' - what about the rest of it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. Watch this: [NOTHING: The Science of Emptiness - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUmeE8sIVo) Might be a starter for you to get some information on the subject.
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So I looked it up:
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Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space throughout the entire Universe. One contribution to the vacuum energy may be from virtual particles which are thought to be particle pairs that blink into existence and then annihilate in a timespan too short to observe.Sep 18, 2016
Note the portion I underlined. If one had a total void, that includes everything. Not just 'matter' - especially since matter and energy are interchangeable. You bring forward what can be an interesting side-bar:
Chris C-B wrote:
Most of the mass/energy of a neutron is due to the spontaneous generation of particles within its empty spaces.
This begs a question: you used the term 'most' - what about the rest of it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
If one had a total void, that includes everything.
I don't think such a beast can exist, unless it is in a universe that has no laws of quantum theory, in which case the universe can't exist, so the void can't exist either. It all gets a bit existential from there on, with such things as "What was there before the big bang?" or "Why is there something rather than nothing?". Makes my head hurt. :laugh:
W∴ Balboos wrote:
This begs a question: you used the term 'most' - what about the rest of it?
The three quarks for Muster Mark contribution - one Up and two Down.
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No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about. Watch this: [NOTHING: The Science of Emptiness - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUmeE8sIVo) Might be a starter for you to get some information on the subject.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
A void. An absolute total "all-encompassing" absence. Not a quantum vacuum. No matter of any kind. No energy. No waves. No concept of volume. No between. No direction. It is not actually visualizeable as that induces boundary conditions - that your mind is trying to be an observer, for example, which defines an 'else'. You need to delve further into the abstraction. This was not actually part of their discussion. Basically, the barrier in the "there was no before the big bang" statement - the content of "the before".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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A void. An absolute total "all-encompassing" absence. Not a quantum vacuum. No matter of any kind. No energy. No waves. No concept of volume. No between. No direction. It is not actually visualizeable as that induces boundary conditions - that your mind is trying to be an observer, for example, which defines an 'else'. You need to delve further into the abstraction. This was not actually part of their discussion. Basically, the barrier in the "there was no before the big bang" statement - the content of "the before".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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There mat be a fly in your reasoning, or perhaps a flaw in your ointment. As a photon travels at the speed of light, time does not exists for it*, but us folks still get old and die - bummer! Actually, time WILL stop - when the universe is driven to maximum entropy by dark energy eventually even tearing apart quarks. With no more entropy possible, time will cease to exist. *This actually means that there only needs to be one photon at a time in the universe, as it can be in all places simultaneously. I just don't think the universe has woken up and smelt the coffee yet. :laugh:
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Chris C-B wrote:
This actually means that there only needs to be one photon at a time in the universe, as it can be in all places simultaneously
That's interesting. :thumbsup:
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013What time? I have no time :)
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013This would never fly since there would be no one to having fun. But there would be no money so there would be no time (think of the software triangle implications though - no time, no money, all the features you can think of!) Anyway - this thread is getting old...
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013time doesn't exist at all. Newsflash: Time May Not Exist | DiscoverMagazine.com[^]
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Rick York wrote:
... keeps on slippin', into the future.
Like Jet Airliner better.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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time doesn't exist at all. Newsflash: Time May Not Exist | DiscoverMagazine.com[^]
Chris Losinger wrote:
time doesn't exist at all.
It hasn't since my watch broke.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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A void. An absolute total "all-encompassing" absence. Not a quantum vacuum. No matter of any kind. No energy. No waves. No concept of volume. No between. No direction. It is not actually visualizeable as that induces boundary conditions - that your mind is trying to be an observer, for example, which defines an 'else'. You need to delve further into the abstraction. This was not actually part of their discussion. Basically, the barrier in the "there was no before the big bang" statement - the content of "the before".
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
BTW since you seemed to be not quite convinced by nobel winners from the previous podcast, here another one, full of authorities on the subject: [2013 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: The Existence of Nothing - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OLz6uUuMp8)
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
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Rick York wrote:
... keeps on slippin', into the future.
Like Jet Airliner better.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
If mankind wasn't there to perceive it, would time still exist?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
In the future time is outmoded. Once things happen fast enough* time stops because all things are complete at once. I think it occurs when your download speeds hit 1PBPS (Petabit). :rolleyes: *Think about that too... Two Ways To Stop Time Make everything happen so fast it all happens at once: time stops. Make everything happen so slowly that nothing happens: time stops. :cool:
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Consider if the universe were an absolute void. I would put forward that time doesn't exist because nothing happens and nothing can happen. This is the ultimate in a stateless condition. Now, as soon as there is something, or better yet, somethings, the possibility of time becomes more and more a mandatory consequence.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
If it is an absolute void, there is nobody to observe what is (not)happening. If there is an observer, it is not an absolute void. Paradoxical isn't it? Edit: You seem to agree with this in later messages. :-D
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Says all you need to know! Pink Floyd Reunion - Time - YouTube[^]
How did they synchronize all those moving clocks? :confused:
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