So Florence was a bit of a flop then
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Turns out they have recieved over 30 inches of rain in some places. (Swansboro, N.C.) And guess what, it's usually not the wind that kills. And BTW, you should probably keep posting in the soapbox.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Turns out they have recieved over 30 inches of rain in some places. (Swansboro, N.C.) And guess what, it's usually not the wind that kills.
Very much this. An uptick in windshear screwed up Flo's last eyewall replacement cycle, leaving it with a fubarred eye and much lower peak winds in the very center of the storm. That happened to late to do more than very slightly reduce the outer 90 or so percent's ability to dump massive amounts of water on the ground and would've had a minimal effect on the outer wind speeds prior to the it going ashore and interactions with land starting to break the storm up. Had the windshear hit a few days earlier and abated Flo would've rebuilt it's eye and ramped back to a cat 4, OTOH if it hit a few days earlier and sustained itself it would have significantly weakened the storm overall and made it much less damaging instead of just clipping down a single headline number.
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Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
it's not about the wind, troll - it's the rain and the storm surge. Wilmington is a city of 250K people and there is no land access to it right now. some rivers are expected to crest more than 10m above flood level tomorrow.
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it's not about the wind, troll - it's the rain and the storm surge. Wilmington is a city of 250K people and there is no land access to it right now. some rivers are expected to crest more than 10m above flood level tomorrow.
Chris Losinger wrote:
some rivers are expected to crest more than 10m above flood level tomorrow.
Is that the same kind of expectation the media slathered over when they expected cat 5 winds?
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Chris Losinger wrote:
some rivers are expected to crest more than 10m above flood level tomorrow.
Is that the same kind of expectation the media slathered over when they expected cat 5 winds?
no, idiot, it's based on the fact that it's already nearly 20' above flood stage and we know how much water is in the tributaries. National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service[^]
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Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
So, you think that all of this is "overblown"? Or would you rather the message from forcasters and the media be "under-reported" from actual conditions so you can have more people dead from the storm? I, for one, would rather over-prepare for the disaster than scramble at the last minute to try and gather supplies and/or get the out to safety when it's too late. Go read up on hurricane deaths in the past and you'll, hopefully, come to the conclusion that today people would rather be over-prepare and take action earlier for a storm that fizzles out than end up dead in a box for a storm that, by media standards, was "no big deal" but actually turned out worse than reported.
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no, idiot, it's based on the fact that it's already nearly 20' above flood stage and we know how much water is in the tributaries. National Weather Service Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service[^]
Good, at least the media haven't exaggerated everything out or all proportion.
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So, you think that all of this is "overblown"? Or would you rather the message from forcasters and the media be "under-reported" from actual conditions so you can have more people dead from the storm? I, for one, would rather over-prepare for the disaster than scramble at the last minute to try and gather supplies and/or get the out to safety when it's too late. Go read up on hurricane deaths in the past and you'll, hopefully, come to the conclusion that today people would rather be over-prepare and take action earlier for a storm that fizzles out than end up dead in a box for a storm that, by media standards, was "no big deal" but actually turned out worse than reported.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
So, you think that all of this is "overblown"
Did you see the video of the weather journalist pretending to be 'over blown'?
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Or would you rather
Ah, here come the bit where I am ascribed a sentiment I dont hold.
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Good, at least the media haven't exaggerated everything out or all proportion.
the entire south-east part of the state is under water, you fucking moron. https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2018-09-16-florence-forecast-rain-flood-carolinas-virginia-west-virginia[^]
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the entire south-east part of the state is under water, you fucking moron. https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2018-09-16-florence-forecast-rain-flood-carolinas-virginia-west-virginia[^]
Wow, such vitriol. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: Where did I say there wassnt flooding? Ah right, I didnt. Now who is the moron?
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Wow, such vitriol. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: Where did I say there wassnt flooding? Ah right, I didnt. Now who is the moron?
fuck off, troll. this is a total disaster for millions of people. grow the fuck up.
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fuck off, troll. this is a total disaster for millions of people. grow the fuck up.
I win. :) Sad eh, when ones ability to reason is so affected.
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I win. :) Sad eh, when ones ability to reason is so affected.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I win.
in case anyone had any doubt that you're trolling.
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Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
Please, just effin' stop this shit. It is bad enough dealing with family members who want to espouse vitriol and hatred over politics and religion, including their denial of global warming. Coming here and seeing you do the same gets quite old.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
So, you think that all of this is "overblown"
Did you see the video of the weather journalist pretending to be 'over blown'?
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Or would you rather
Ah, here come the bit where I am ascribed a sentiment I dont hold.
Well, it's either going to be over-reported or under-reported. Very rarely is a weather event, and it's impacts, ever reported "dead on". You're complaining that it's over-reported, so that leaves the only other option.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I win.
in case anyone had any doubt that you're trolling.
Actually I wasn't, but I am sure you don't want to see it that way.
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Please, just effin' stop this shit. It is bad enough dealing with family members who want to espouse vitriol and hatred over politics and religion, including their denial of global warming. Coming here and seeing you do the same gets quite old.
Take it to the soapbox and I will reply properly.
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Well, it's either going to be over-reported or under-reported. Very rarely is a weather event, and it's impacts, ever reported "dead on". You're complaining that it's over-reported, so that leaves the only other option.
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Dave KreskowiakIt is the almost vampiresque glee with which the media, and other agencies, over hype these events which I am getting at.
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It is the almost vampiresque glee with which the media, and other agencies, over hype these events which I am getting at.
Yeah, and they are over-hyped for the reasons of safety and preparedness. Going the other way results in more people dying from these events. Seriously, go read a book about hurricane deaths and forecasting.
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Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
Tell that to the 17 people who died
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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Take it to the soapbox and I will reply properly.
Why would I stoop to your level? Seems rather pointless to me. I asked you to please stop, and that's all I intend to do. Please stop.