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Munchies_Matt wrote:
A surrogate for blame, or a surrogate to ride on, in terms of giving global security?
To ride on. I've been rather annoyed when there's a crisis and "the world" wants to to what the US will do about it. Clearly you've observed the same. If the opportunity arises for someone else to pay and bleed, you can be sure it will be taken advantage of. Everyone want's to "Bell the Cat" as long as someone else does it.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Yeah, and then they criticise the US for pulling out. I would like to see the UN actually do something useful instead of just pay themselves a lot (tax free of course) and do a great deal of talking, but fat chance of that.
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ISIS are finished, so why have US troops there? The Kurds are a different discussion, heck, even the Iraqi Kurds dont like the Syrian ones!
Munchies_Matt wrote:
ISIS are finished, so why have US troops there?
December 19, 2018 - US President Donald Trump sets the stage for a rapid withdrawal of American troops from Syria with a tweet falsely claiming that ISIS has been defeated.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
ISIS are finished, so why have US troops there?
December 19, 2018 - US President Donald Trump sets the stage for a rapid withdrawal of American troops from Syria with a tweet falsely claiming that ISIS has been defeated.
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So CNN doesnt think ISIS are finished. Wow. They dont hold any towns as far as I know, Raqa their HQ has been overrun, they are a spent force except for a few nutters left in the desert hiding.
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So CNN doesnt think ISIS are finished. Wow. They dont hold any towns as far as I know, Raqa their HQ has been overrun, they are a spent force except for a few nutters left in the desert hiding.
Not just CNN, but Trump declared it so, and so it must be true :) --edit Didn't he declare the same thing a year ago?
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So - Erdogan made the demand Putin gave his nod of approval. Trump Obeys: **Abandon the brave Kurds to Turkish genocide.
**"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Erdogan made the demand
It looks like you've got a good point. Turkey primed to start offensive against US-backed Kurds in Syria | World news | The Guardian[^] :thumbsup:
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Not just CNN, but Trump declared it so, and so it must be true :) --edit Didn't he declare the same thing a year ago?
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They dont hold any towns as far as I know, Raqa their HQ has been overrun, they are a spent force except for a few nutters left in the desert hiding.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Erdogan made the demand
It looks like you've got a good point. Turkey primed to start offensive against US-backed Kurds in Syria | World news | The Guardian[^] :thumbsup:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
The Kurds have been good allies - in fact, for that region of the world, exceptional allies. If Hump had a pair he'd just announce that "our troops are staying and any fire which we feel endangers them will result in swift and aggressive retaliation until we determine the threat has been neutralized."
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So - Erdogan made the demand Putin gave his nod of approval. Trump Obeys: **Abandon the brave Kurds to Turkish genocide.
**"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Obama had the same desires and policy as Trump does on Syria, almost identical. Blow your Trump bashing out of your uneducated ass. Trump and Obama may be complete opposites — but their Syria policies are nearly identical - U.S. News - Haaretz.com[^]
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So - Erdogan made the demand Putin gave his nod of approval. Trump Obeys: **Abandon the brave Kurds to Turkish genocide.
**"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Obama had the same desires and policy as Trump does on Syria, almost identical. Blow your Trump bashing out of your uneducated ass. Trump and Obama may be complete opposites — but their Syria policies are nearly identical - U.S. News - Haaretz.com[^]
So let's get some perspective here: Erdogan demanded Hump remove them and he promptly obeys his master. Face it - your brain-dead god in the white house is just an obedient serf. The mass murder that's already being threatened will be on his head - but he couldn't give two shits. Don't play the Obama game - it's Humps doing and Humps timing. Post as much weasel sleaze as you like, he's a pyrrhia and embarrassment to his species - whatever the fuck that is. And you - keep on covering for him (at least in your own head) because it's either that or admit he made the fool of you becaise, well, that he did make of you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I think the same happened in Iraq some time ago, when the US abandoned them and they got gassed or something like that by Saddam. You think US allies would learn from these things. :)
If I recall, they began their ethnic wars with Obama's move. There's a real difference here: 1) outside party demands US leave so they can attack an ally* 2) hump agrees to cut and runs right after the threat 3) threat escalates to genocidal level * a for-real ally, not like the Iraqis or Afganis. But you're quite right - between Hump and Obama, only a jerk would put their lives in our hands. Or, with the Hump brand on the country, who'd make any kind of treaty, agreement, or anything else? He's a cancer.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So let's get some perspective here: Erdogan demanded Hump remove them and he promptly obeys his master. Face it - your brain-dead god in the white house is just an obedient serf. The mass murder that's already being threatened will be on his head - but he couldn't give two shits. Don't play the Obama game - it's Humps doing and Humps timing. Post as much weasel sleaze as you like, he's a pyrrhia and embarrassment to his species - whatever the fuck that is. And you - keep on covering for him (at least in your own head) because it's either that or admit he made the fool of you becaise, well, that he did make of you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If I recall, they began their ethnic wars with Obama's move. There's a real difference here: 1) outside party demands US leave so they can attack an ally* 2) hump agrees to cut and runs right after the threat 3) threat escalates to genocidal level * a for-real ally, not like the Iraqis or Afganis. But you're quite right - between Hump and Obama, only a jerk would put their lives in our hands. Or, with the Hump brand on the country, who'd make any kind of treaty, agreement, or anything else? He's a cancer.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
He's a cancer.
No, people like you are cancer. Trump is the cure.
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Wasn't that one of his campaign-promises? That's a going to set a dangerous precedent, politicians that keep a promise - seeing is believing.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Abandon the brave Kurds to Turkish genocide.
If you're not confused by the world, you did not pay attention. The Kurds are NATO-allies, as are the Turks. Does that mean we're financing both sides? No wonder ISIS stopped existing, they're probably feeling ignored by the allies.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Wasn't that one of his campaign-promises? That's a going to set a dangerous precedent, politicians that keep a promise - seeing is believing.
“We are going to convene my top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.” Perhaps he has a different definition of "soundly" that what I have. And apparently what some of the military experts actually involved in it do.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Wasn't that one of his campaign-promises? That's a going to set a dangerous precedent, politicians that keep a promise - seeing is believing.
“We are going to convene my top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.” Perhaps he has a different definition of "soundly" that what I have. And apparently what some of the military experts actually involved in it do.
Last year Trump already called them defeated. Two weeks ago, the US officials were still explaining how ISIS was NOT yet defeated. Also nicely in the news was how Trump was instructed before Erdogans phone-call to and how in the call Erdo still managed to put Trump on the defense :) That clearly signals a few things; but most importantly, it shows how Trump is not in control - not in control of his country, not in control of the narrative.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Wasn't that one of his campaign-promises? That's a going to set a dangerous precedent, politicians that keep a promise - seeing is believing.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Abandon the brave Kurds to Turkish genocide.
If you're not confused by the world, you did not pay attention. The Kurds are NATO-allies, as are the Turks. Does that mean we're financing both sides? No wonder ISIS stopped existing, they're probably feeling ignored by the allies.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Remember when Russia appointed a CIA agent as the head of their army?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Last year Trump already called them defeated. Two weeks ago, the US officials were still explaining how ISIS was NOT yet defeated. Also nicely in the news was how Trump was instructed before Erdogans phone-call to and how in the call Erdo still managed to put Trump on the defense :) That clearly signals a few things; but most importantly, it shows how Trump is not in control - not in control of his country, not in control of the narrative.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
to put Trump on the defense
Trump is an idiot. Not hard to confuse him when he is the only one doing the talking.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
, it shows how Trump is not in control - not in control of his country, not in control of the narrative.
Not sure what that is intended to mean. Certainly in terms of the Syrian withdrawal he is in control. That is why so many people are scrambling after his pronouncement.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
to put Trump on the defense
Trump is an idiot. Not hard to confuse him when he is the only one doing the talking.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
, it shows how Trump is not in control - not in control of his country, not in control of the narrative.
Not sure what that is intended to mean. Certainly in terms of the Syrian withdrawal he is in control. That is why so many people are scrambling after his pronouncement.
jschell wrote:
Trump is an idiot. Not hard to confuse him when he is the only one doing the talking.
Erdogan was the one talking :)
jschell wrote:
Not sure what that is intended to mean.
Exactly what is says.
jschell wrote:
Certainly in terms of the Syrian withdrawal he is in control.
First of all, they haven't retreated yet. Second, if they do retreat, then it will probably not be a complete one; sure, the soldiers go home, but the people who trained the rebels will probably stay. And from here, it looks more like he is fullfilling a "request" from his "ally".
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jschell wrote:
Trump is an idiot. Not hard to confuse him when he is the only one doing the talking.
Erdogan was the one talking :)
jschell wrote:
Not sure what that is intended to mean.
Exactly what is says.
jschell wrote:
Certainly in terms of the Syrian withdrawal he is in control.
First of all, they haven't retreated yet. Second, if they do retreat, then it will probably not be a complete one; sure, the soldiers go home, but the people who trained the rebels will probably stay. And from here, it looks more like he is fullfilling a "request" from his "ally".
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Erdogan was the one talking
But no one else was jumping in the conversation right at that moment to distract Trump from him.