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  • D dan sh

    Is the current trend going up or down?

    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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    Munchies_Matt
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    Just pathetic. You cant accept the trend since 2000 is down, you are obsessed with a few months data showing an increase (yeah, it always increases in summer, it is a seasonal thing. It could well be decreasing already, since we are at the end of august) You cant accept that the amazon was in the past largely savanna and supported a population of millions, and you cant accept that a lot of the burning is not forest, but farmland, as is common throughout the world. Instead you are going to look at a few months of data and run around screaming like a little baby that the sky is falling. If it wasnt so sad it would be laughable.

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      Just pathetic. You cant accept the trend since 2000 is down, you are obsessed with a few months data showing an increase (yeah, it always increases in summer, it is a seasonal thing. It could well be decreasing already, since we are at the end of august) You cant accept that the amazon was in the past largely savanna and supported a population of millions, and you cant accept that a lot of the burning is not forest, but farmland, as is common throughout the world. Instead you are going to look at a few months of data and run around screaming like a little baby that the sky is falling. If it wasnt so sad it would be laughable.

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      dan sh
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      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      You cant accept the trend since 2000 is down

      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      ou cant accept that the amazon was in the past largely savanna and supported a population of millions, and you cant accept that a lot of the burning is not forest, but farmland, as is common throughout the world.

      When did I say any of that?

      "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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      • D dan sh

        Munchies_Matt wrote:

        You cant accept the trend since 2000 is down

        Munchies_Matt wrote:

        ou cant accept that the amazon was in the past largely savanna and supported a population of millions, and you cant accept that a lot of the burning is not forest, but farmland, as is common throughout the world.

        When did I say any of that?

        "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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        Munchies_Matt
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        It is implicit in your arguing.

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          It is implicit in your arguing.

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          dan sh
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          These are your assumptions and they are wrong. Now, if you can keep aside your current assumptions and do not assume more, one can have a discussion. From the source website in your first post, I see this article.

          Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has been trending upward since bottoming out in 2012 at 4,571 square kilometers (1,765 square miles), but the issue didn’t get a lot of public attention until this week, when the skies of São Paulo, one the world’s largest cities, were blackened midday by smoke from the fires. The shocking descent into darkness prompted an outpouring of concern across social media, with the #PrayforAmazonas hashtag garnering more than 300,000 tweets in two days.

          Article link[^] Do read complete article and put aside any assumptions that you develop before response.

          "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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          • D dan sh

            These are your assumptions and they are wrong. Now, if you can keep aside your current assumptions and do not assume more, one can have a discussion. From the source website in your first post, I see this article.

            Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has been trending upward since bottoming out in 2012 at 4,571 square kilometers (1,765 square miles), but the issue didn’t get a lot of public attention until this week, when the skies of São Paulo, one the world’s largest cities, were blackened midday by smoke from the fires. The shocking descent into darkness prompted an outpouring of concern across social media, with the #PrayforAmazonas hashtag garnering more than 300,000 tweets in two days.

            Article link[^] Do read complete article and put aside any assumptions that you develop before response.

            "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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            Munchies_Matt
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            lw@zi wrote:

            Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has been trending upward since bottoming out in 2012

            If you choose an outlier then you can always find a trend you want. You can also say it is down since 2016, but the fact is it is relatively flat after its massive decline in the early 2000s. You people, really, you are so laughable.

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              lw@zi wrote:

              Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has been trending upward since bottoming out in 2012

              If you choose an outlier then you can always find a trend you want. You can also say it is down since 2016, but the fact is it is relatively flat after its massive decline in the early 2000s. You people, really, you are so laughable.

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              What about this? [Amazon deforestation at highest level in 10 years, says Brazil](https://news.mongabay.com/2018/11/amazon-deforestation-at-highest-level-in-10-years-says-brazil/)

              "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                lw@zi wrote:

                Deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon has been trending upward since bottoming out in 2012

                If you choose an outlier then you can always find a trend you want. You can also say it is down since 2016, but the fact is it is relatively flat after its massive decline in the early 2000s. You people, really, you are so laughable.

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                dan sh
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                Munchies_Matt wrote:

                If you choose an outlier then you can always find a trend you want.

                Does it not apply to you as well?

                "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                • D dan sh

                  What about this? [Amazon deforestation at highest level in 10 years, says Brazil](https://news.mongabay.com/2018/11/amazon-deforestation-at-highest-level-in-10-years-says-brazil/)

                  "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                  Munchies_Matt
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                  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Er, yes, 10 years is SINCE 2000...

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                  • D dan sh

                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                    If you choose an outlier then you can always find a trend you want.

                    Does it not apply to you as well?

                    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    No, because I am looking at the big picture.

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                      :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Er, yes, 10 years is SINCE 2000...

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                      dan sh
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                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                      As it turns out deforestation has decline massively since 2000: https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png\[^\] this is 1988 to 2017, the big drop starting around 2000

                      You said it is declining since 2000. I post from same website stating it is increasing since 2000 which you agree. What is your point?

                      "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                      • D dan sh

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        As it turns out deforestation has decline massively since 2000: https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png\[^\] this is 1988 to 2017, the big drop starting around 2000

                        You said it is declining since 2000. I post from same website stating it is increasing since 2000 which you agree. What is your point?

                        "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                        Amazon deforestation at highest level in 10 years, says Brazil[^] Early 2000s, about 20,000 sq km a year, last few years about 7,000. That is about a third. I am sure you see the point, you would have to be thick as shit to not see it of course.

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                          So all the usual types are virtue signalling over this, the celebs, Macron, and the media all over it with the usual climate change stuff (actually mature trees dont absorb carbon, they have stopped growing, but hey, dont confuse the fear with facts eh?). As it turns out deforestation has decline massively since 2000: https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png[^] this is 1988 to 2017, the big drop starting around 2000 Alot of the images I have seen have been of fields burning too, not forest. Like this one, In Bolsonaro’s Brazil, a Showdown Over Amazon Rainforest[^] balled as 'forest on fire' when it isnt, it is actually grass burning, or old crops. We do this in the UK too every year. Another fact that the enviros hate is that the Amazon was until a few centuries ago home to many millions. Deforestation has exposed old towns and villages: Video: Lost cities of the Amazon | People of One Fire[^] Some are saying it was 'highly urbanised', and a significant proportion was savanna. Of course we are being told that todays minimal change, and much less than in the past, is a disaster, a tipping point. It is the same old thing, over and over again, lies BS spin and crap, being rammed down our throats by the media, corrupt scientists, and agenda driven politicians.

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                          Le centriste
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                          A graphic with absolutely no number, no title.

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                          • L Le centriste

                            A graphic with absolutely no number, no title.

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                            From here: Third graphic down[^] Deforestation is a third what it was pre 2003.

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                              Amazon deforestation at highest level in 10 years, says Brazil[^] Early 2000s, about 20,000 sq km a year, last few years about 7,000. That is about a third. I am sure you see the point, you would have to be thick as shit to not see it of course.

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                              dan sh
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                              If previous plot point on a graph is smaller than current, is it increase or decrease? Do you mean there is no need to panic unless we beat the all time high?

                              "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                                From here: Third graphic down[^] Deforestation is a third what it was pre 2003.

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                                Le centriste
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                                Fix your link, because it leads to this image: [https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png\](https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png)

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                                • D dan sh

                                  If previous plot point on a graph is smaller than current, is it increase or decrease? Do you mean there is no need to panic unless we beat the all time high?

                                  "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                                  Munchies_Matt
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                                  You see, such simplistic logic. I didnt expect much different to be honest, this being a programmers site. No, my post was about perspective. Deforestation is massively reduced, the vast majority of oxygen comes from plankton, and the amazon was substantially grassland a few centuries ago, and inhabited by many millions of people. Just hold those thoughts in mind when you see the hysteria on the TV, OK.

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                                    Fix your link, because it leads to this image: [https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png\](https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2015/05/03204742/amazon-deforestation-brazil-1988-present.png)

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Yes, the third image down, I explained the date range (which you can just about see in black, though it isnt easy).

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