I Disagree With Shutting Down the Soapbox
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Given that the Soapbox has been here for years, I doubt that Chris is closing it down in a fit of pique. My theory is that because CP is moderated, he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published. I certainly would understand why he wishes to dispose of this liability.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published.
Move your servers to the US where freedom of speech exists. :doh:
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Soapbox 1.0 is a private forum with no links in CP to it. Seems like that would be a good place to contain and isolate problematic discussions.
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Majerus wrote:
Soapbox 1.0 is a private forum
It's being closed as well. You no longer have anywhere to go.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published.
Move your servers to the US where freedom of speech exists. :doh:
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All that would accomplish is the blocking of the domain from canadian users by the evil Canadian big brother overlords.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
All that would accomplish is the blocking of the domain from canadian users by the evil Canadian big brother overlords.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
blocking of the domain from canadian users
No more Canucks? I can live with that. ;)
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Given that the Soapbox has been here for years, I doubt that Chris is closing it down in a fit of pique. My theory is that because CP is moderated, he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published. I certainly would understand why he wishes to dispose of this liability.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
There's no such thing as "hate speech". There's "unpopular" speech, and that kind of speech is protected by the 1st Amendment (in the US, but not in Canada, or anywhere else for that matter). I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true, though. Chrios should come out and say that though instead of claiming to make CP more on-topic. I'm sure that's a factor, but the REAL reason is probably as you stated.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
All that would accomplish is the blocking of the domain from canadian users by the evil Canadian big brother overlords.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
#realJSOP wrote:
blocking of the domain from canadian users
No more Canucks? I can live with that. ;)
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DRHuff wrote:
I'm not going to miss you either!
You're Canadian? Ah, that's too bad. I do like and appreciate your humor.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published.
Move your servers to the US where freedom of speech exists. :doh:
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There you get sued instead.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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There you get sued instead.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
There you get sued instead.
The US is way too litigious, no doubt, but still better than no freedom of speech.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
There you get sued instead.
The US is way too litigious, no doubt, but still better than no freedom of speech.
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There is no absolute freedom of speech. Otherwise defamation would not exist. We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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There is no absolute freedom of speech. Otherwise defamation would not exist. We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
There is no absolute freedom of speech. Otherwise defamation would not exist.
To be technical, there are NO absolute freedoms.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
There is no absolute freedom of speech. Otherwise defamation would not exist.
To be technical, there are NO absolute freedoms.
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Absolutely right
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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There is no absolute freedom of speech. Otherwise defamation would not exist. We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
I'm no expert of American "free speech" let alone any variations of it across the globe... but what makes you say that your "freedom of the press" is better than our "free speech"? Just curious...
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
We have freedom of press instead, it's actually better.
I'm no expert of American "free speech" let alone any variations of it across the globe... but what makes you say that your "freedom of the press" is better than our "free speech"? Just curious...
What's freedom of speech worth if noone is there to listen? And your press can quite easily be shutdown with a barrage of litigations.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
he has some liability under Canadian law for any inflammatory statements published.
Move your servers to the US where freedom of speech exists. :doh:
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It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech. First of all, many countries protect speech, second of all you have no more free speech than those countries. You are still bound by other laws regarding libel\slander etc, and your 1st amendment only protects you from government curtailing your speech.
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It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech. First of all, many countries protect speech, second of all you have no more free speech than those countries. You are still bound by other laws regarding libel\slander etc, and your 1st amendment only protects you from government curtailing your speech.
Probably the same people that are surprised that others have a constitution.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Probably the same people that are surprised that others have a constitution.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
that are surprised that others have a constitution.
Do any of those constitutions protect free speech?
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It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech. First of all, many countries protect speech, second of all you have no more free speech than those countries. You are still bound by other laws regarding libel\slander etc, and your 1st amendment only protects you from government curtailing your speech.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech.
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
It's funny how Americans think theirs is the only country that protects free speech.
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
Show me another constitution that protects free speech.
Neither does yours :) Again this is your problem, you think the American way of doing things is the only way of doing things. Different countries have different legal structures and just because one country doesn't exactly mimic your legal structure doesn't mean they don't have your rights. You don't even understand your *own* laws, yet you are attacking the laws of other countries? Why should you need laws that tell you what you *can* do? Laws are for saying what you *can't* do and your 1st Amendment says the government *can't* impeded your right to speak - your implication that the US law protects your freedom of speech is an incorrect assumption on your part, the very premise of your argument is incorrect but I'll continue with the spirit of your argument. In the UK we have a common law "negative right" to free speech. No-one has created a law saying we can't speak freely, ergo we have protected freedom of speech. In addition to those century old rights we also have the more modern Human Rights Act which does explicitly grant freedom of speech, so we have both a "positive right" and a "negative right" to free speech.
