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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    I know, don't give out my email address to strangers. But apparently, I'm past that point. Fact is, since about two months I receive daily spam messages. "H i m y n a m e i s C h r i s t o p h e r" "Sander Rossel, your bol.com gift card is ready!" (I get this one daily, from [probably randomly generated]@[same randomly generated].us) "Petlove - [Spanish(?)]" How can I find out where they come from and how can I stop them, if this is at all possible? These mails have "unsubscribe?" links, which I'm obviously not going to click :sigh:

    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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    kalberts
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    Can't you just reject all IP packets with the evil bit set? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3514[^]

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      The solution of last resort, IMO. You're seriously inconveniencing all your contacts more than anything else. And it's not much of a long-term solution either - the reality is, you don't have to give out a new email address to *anyone* for the spammers to start sending junk to it. It'll be discovered sooner or later, and then they all start sharing the address with their buddies. I've registered accounts with variations of my name on a few of the more popular free email systems, and I can guarantee some of these have *never* been shared with anyone. That includes systems that have been put together by people who (you'd think) have a pretty good grip by now on how to handle spam (Gmail and Outlook among others). Yet spam still makes it in. That means there'd be plenty more coming in on systems that aren't as good at identifying spam.

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      dandy72 wrote:

      And it's not much of a long-term solution either - the reality is, you don't have to give out a new email address to anyone for the spammers to start sending junk to it.

      Yep, and that's the point. There really isn't any way to stop getting spam, either short-term or long-term. You can create a new address. You'll stop getting spam, but only for the short-term.

      Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        I know, don't give out my email address to strangers. But apparently, I'm past that point. Fact is, since about two months I receive daily spam messages. "H i m y n a m e i s C h r i s t o p h e r" "Sander Rossel, your bol.com gift card is ready!" (I get this one daily, from [probably randomly generated]@[same randomly generated].us) "Petlove - [Spanish(?)]" How can I find out where they come from and how can I stop them, if this is at all possible? These mails have "unsubscribe?" links, which I'm obviously not going to click :sigh:

        Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        While (spammers exist): 1. Find the PHYSICAL address of the spammer 2. Purchase an ICBM from your neighbourhood shady arms dealer 3. Launch the ICBM to the spammer's PHYSICAL address 4. Repeat as necessary Profit :)

        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          Yeah, me too. GMail is pretty good, but since a while, about four a day slip through. It happens more often, but never more than a few days so this has been going on far longer than usual. There's still a good chance it will just stop at some time though.

          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          Frank Malcolm
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          The other problem is, GMail blocks emails that aren't spam. I used to get 40-50 spam emails a day although it's dropped to 20-30 in CoViD-19. (Why?) Maybe 4 or 5 a week would be emails which should have got through. So I check my GMail spam folder every day.

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            The other problem is, GMail blocks emails that aren't spam. I used to get 40-50 spam emails a day although it's dropped to 20-30 in CoViD-19. (Why?) Maybe 4 or 5 a week would be emails which should have got through. So I check my GMail spam folder every day.

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            Sander Rossel
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            I read ALL my mail, so if I get a spam message my spam folder will go to the top and show (x) unread emails. For some reason, almost all my Microsoft/Azure/DevOps newsletters are spam so I whitelisted the Microsoft domain. Other than that it rarely happens though. Four to five a week sounds like a lot, are they from the same person/company? If so, consider whitelisting them.

            Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              I know, don't give out my email address to strangers. But apparently, I'm past that point. Fact is, since about two months I receive daily spam messages. "H i m y n a m e i s C h r i s t o p h e r" "Sander Rossel, your bol.com gift card is ready!" (I get this one daily, from [probably randomly generated]@[same randomly generated].us) "Petlove - [Spanish(?)]" How can I find out where they come from and how can I stop them, if this is at all possible? These mails have "unsubscribe?" links, which I'm obviously not going to click :sigh:

              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              There is a way, needs a lot of effort. Follow the money.

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Haven't checked, I just had one from .us. I don't doubt that it is spam, even without looking at the domain. It gets in my spam folder, but I really just don't want it at all.

                Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                Sander, Outlook client lets you view the email source and the Internet headers so you can see where the email actually came from (see sample below). I do not use Gmail I do not know if it has the same capability. _________________________

                Return-Path: mail02-ca244-44788-jamacdonald=erols.com@d24.tplusmail.com
                Received: from mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com (LHLO mx.rcn.com) (10.33.3.179) by
                md01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com with LMTP; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
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                X-CM-Score: 0
                X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine
                X-Received-HELO: from [74.118.107.109] (helo=smtp1-39.mail02.topicaplus.com)
                Authentication-Results: mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.DKIM-Signature=@d24.tplusmail.com; dkim=pass
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                Received-SPF: pass (mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: domain d24.tplusmail.com designates 74.118.107.109 as permitted sender)
                Received: from [74.118.107.109] ([74.118.107.109:51217] helo=smtp1-39.mail02.topicaplus.com)
                by mx.rcn.com (envelope-from )
                (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256)
                id 8E/8A-40876-CD277EE5; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:08:44 -0400
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                DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed;
                d=d24.tplusmail.com; s=default; h=Date:Message-ID:
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                Date: 15 Jun 2020 13:08:44 -0000
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                  Sander, Outlook client lets you view the email source and the Internet headers so you can see where the email actually came from (see sample below). I do not use Gmail I do not know if it has the same capability. _________________________

                  Return-Path: mail02-ca244-44788-jamacdonald=erols.com@d24.tplusmail.com
                  Received: from mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com (LHLO mx.rcn.com) (10.33.3.179) by
                  md01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com with LMTP; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
                  Return-Path:
                  X_CMAE_Category: , ,
                  X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=CsXBjUwD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 b=1 cx=a_idp_c a=HnCwvRV+xY/I/cxHJFt8Kg==:117 a=HnCwvRV+xY/I/cxHJFt8Kg==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=5KLPUuaC_9wA:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=LhVmGQxXAAAA:8 a=bMKPYyKNAAAA:8 a=yoDDcn9cAAAA:20 a=kkeZQVVqAAAA:20 a=OwaX6NWWEkG79epqXcAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=77R4OUVoh7cA:10 a=YdeoRYLMNAkA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=9XAAIRTlAAAA:20 a=nX4LI99Z6BcihDCH5lcA:9 a=i5lCgKgHOGmsqgGR:21 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Tc6xnW_7GzRn6Cje9123:22 a=W3F0SFC1vDmyWr4U9_Ew:22
                  X-CM-Score: 0
                  X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine
                  X-Received-HELO: from [74.118.107.109] (helo=smtp1-39.mail02.topicaplus.com)
                  Authentication-Results: mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.DKIM-Signature=@d24.tplusmail.com; dkim=pass
                  Authentication-Results: mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=mail02-ca244-44788-jamacdonald=erols.com@d24.tplusmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass
                  Authentication-Results: mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=info@d24.tplusmail.com; sender-id=pass
                  Received-SPF: pass (mx01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: domain d24.tplusmail.com designates 74.118.107.109 as permitted sender)
                  Received: from [74.118.107.109] ([74.118.107.109:51217] helo=smtp1-39.mail02.topicaplus.com)
                  by mx.rcn.com (envelope-from )
                  (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256)
                  id 8E/8A-40876-CD277EE5; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:08:44 -0400
                  Received: (GreenArrow 98530 invoked by uid 1003); 15 Jun 2020 13:08:44 -0000
                  DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed;
                  d=d24.tplusmail.com; s=default; h=Date:Message-ID:
                  List-Unsubscribe:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Type:
                  MIME-Version; bh=S+dpslEdxwy6RYDXX+x2NvtebVs=; b=gUgv64WGU6pd2Bf
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                  Date: 15 Jun 2020 13:08:44 -0000
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                  CHill60
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                  Oh the irony - this was caught by the spam filter :laugh:

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                    Oh the irony - this was caught by the spam filter :laugh:

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                    User 13224750
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                    Yeah, every time I reply to a message it gets flagged as spam at least for a period of time.

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      I know, don't give out my email address to strangers. But apparently, I'm past that point. Fact is, since about two months I receive daily spam messages. "H i m y n a m e i s C h r i s t o p h e r" "Sander Rossel, your bol.com gift card is ready!" (I get this one daily, from [probably randomly generated]@[same randomly generated].us) "Petlove - [Spanish(?)]" How can I find out where they come from and how can I stop them, if this is at all possible? These mails have "unsubscribe?" links, which I'm obviously not going to click :sigh:

                      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      Choroid
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                      I went to Proton Mail 3 years ago and have NOT had one spam e-mail keep my gmail for places I do not trust and if I want to signup for known bad actors I use a bogus e-mail address

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                      • D Dave Kreskowiak

                        Yep! My work email address gets spam and the only place that address has ever been used is on some vendor websites. So, at least one of them has been selling their customer/address list.

                        Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
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                        englebart
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                        Could be an inside job, too. A few weeks after a merger which gave me a brand new email address I never used anywhere, I started receiving spam on the unused address. I figure that one of the thousands of third party contractors scraped the whole address book and sold it for a few dollars.

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          I know, don't give out my email address to strangers. But apparently, I'm past that point. Fact is, since about two months I receive daily spam messages. "H i m y n a m e i s C h r i s t o p h e r" "Sander Rossel, your bol.com gift card is ready!" (I get this one daily, from [probably randomly generated]@[same randomly generated].us) "Petlove - [Spanish(?)]" How can I find out where they come from and how can I stop them, if this is at all possible? These mails have "unsubscribe?" links, which I'm obviously not going to click :sigh:

                          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                          Robert Not The Pirate
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                          Fortunately, I have my own domain. I created an email address "DoNotReply@DomainName.com" for emails that are immediately and automatically deleted. I created an email address "Info@DomainName.com" for emails that are just that, for any requests for information. These emails go into my info folder, which if worthy, are either saved. The rest are deleted. My primary email address is for friends and family. They all still get spam, but are much easier to manage.

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                          • D dandy72

                            All I can say is don't bother setting up rules if you're using Windows 10's built-in email client. I don't know how Microsoft can claim it works *at all*.

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                            C Grant Anderson
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                            I have the same experience. Windows 10 Outlook NEVER properly handles spam. It allows dumb stuff through and filters out emails from people's email addresses that I've authorized/white listed. Fairly worthless spam filtering!

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