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  • M MadMyche

    ZurdoDev wrote:

    var url = "http://someapi";

    Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

    Is it a string? Could it be a URI[^]

    Uri siteUri = new Uri("http://www.contoso.com/");

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    ZurdoDev
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    Yes, it was a string.

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    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

      I use auto, the C++ equivalent, whenever it will deduce the correct type. - It forces you to initialize the variable. - If the variable is initialized by calling a function, and that function's return type changes, the code might not even be affected. - Some type names are long or complicated, and I hate spilling lines. Some argue that it makes the code harder to understand because the reader has to figure out the type. My counterargument is that the reader doesn't understand how the code fits into the system if this is the case.

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      Mircea Neacsu
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      You are going on a dangerous path. It leads you to the days when an insignificant dot was significant:

      auto i = 2;
      auto j = 3;
      auto k = i/j;
      auto f = 2./j;
      // f != k
      // any similarity with FORTRAN is intentional

      Besides "auto" has four letters and "int" has three; it's not energy efficient :)

      Mircea

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        You are going on a dangerous path. It leads you to the days when an insignificant dot was significant:

        auto i = 2;
        auto j = 3;
        auto k = i/j;
        auto f = 2./j;
        // f != k
        // any similarity with FORTRAN is intentional

        Besides "auto" has four letters and "int" has three; it's not energy efficient :)

        Mircea

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        Greg Utas
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        Not very dangerous unless one ignores compiler warnings. Then again, I don't use floating point very often. The main one I have to watch for is

        for(auto i = 0...

        which makes i an int when what might actually be called for is a size_t.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Yes, it was a string.

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          MadMyche
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          But what if you meant it as a URI? I think SQL would call this ambiguous

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          • M MadMyche

            But what if you meant it as a URI? I think SQL would call this ambiguous

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            ZurdoDev
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            MadMyche wrote:

            But what if you meant it as a URI?

            Then you do new Uri(string);

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

              var url = "http://someapi";

              This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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              Mycroft Holmes
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              When I moved from VB (where purists dump on var from a great height) to c# where explicit types were mandatory I lost all faith in var, it became the one thing in VB that I loathed. Now that it has phoenixed in c# I refuse to use it. As for var content changing type and not having to refactor, what a croc of shit, you should HAVE to refactor if you change type or at least check your usage of the variable.

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                I'd actually prefer it is you could do this:

                Dictionary> complicatedDictionary = new *();

                To me, that would be a more natural way of showing what the type of complicatedDictionary actually is. As it is, I find var is mainly over used by the lazy-and-don't-care script kiddies ...

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                Yes I agree

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  The problem with that is that you are working to what should have been a breaking change. And that's important, because if you were assuming int division as a result of the original type spec for example, then a breaking change means you know it's just failed and can adapt to it. var in that case means you don't know, and output can be subtly wrong and unnoticed until it's a real problem. I'd say var should be there for temporary storage of Linq results, and nowhere else ...

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                    var url = "http://someapi";

                    This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    I use var almost exclusively these days. I started out using it sometimes, but then I started using it more and more. To me, it just seems nice to have all my vars lined up nicely :D Some people thing the var keyword isn't strongly typed, but it is (we have dynamic for that). It's not like JavaScript's var keyword. It's only absolutely necessary to use var when working with anonymous types (still strongly typed!).

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                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                      When I moved from VB (where purists dump on var from a great height) to c# where explicit types were mandatory I lost all faith in var, it became the one thing in VB that I loathed. Now that it has phoenixed in c# I refuse to use it. As for var content changing type and not having to refactor, what a croc of shit, you should HAVE to refactor if you change type or at least check your usage of the variable.

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      VB doesn't have var? :confused: The equivalent would be:

                      Dim something = "my string"

                      Which looks fine to me and is still strongly typed, unless Options Strict is Off.

                      Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                      As for var content changing type and not having to refactor

                      Using var is strongly typed so I don't really get what you're saying. Are you thinking of dynamic or Option Strict Off (which luckily DOESN'T have an equivalent in C# X| )?

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                      • G GuyThiebaut

                        The advantage of var is if "http://someapi" was a variable or class instance instead of a string literal and you changed its type, you would not then need to refactor the code elsewhere. In your example it's just a case of habit probably, however it's obvious from what is on the right that it's a string. It can sometimes make it harder to debug issues as jumping to the class definition might not always be supported in the IDE you use to debug the var url value with or have to wait for the IDE to resolve the type that the var is. That's my take on var...

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                        GuyThiebaut wrote:

                        The advantage of var is if "http://someapi" was a variable or class instance instead of a string literal and you changed its type, you would not then need to refactor the code elsewhere.

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          that would be a more natural way of showing what the type

                          Yup. And as I replied on the Insider News, what I really want is: var foo = new(); In most cases, the compiler should be able to figure out what foo is by inspecting its usage in the code! :laugh:

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                          BillWoodruff
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                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          In most cases, the compiler should be able to figure out what foo is by inspecting its usage in the code!

                          If you turn the compiler into a psychic, be prepared for bad news :wtf:

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                          • B BillWoodruff

                            GuyThiebaut wrote:

                            The advantage of var is if "http://someapi" was a variable or class instance instead of a string literal and you changed its type, you would not then need to refactor the code elsewhere.

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                            GuyThiebaut
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                            Tell me about it, I have been coding in Kotlin for an Android application and in Kotlin pretty much every type is inferred. So the code is peppered with it when referring to a property and it can be pretty much anything.

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                              var url = "http://someapi";

                              This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                              Steve Naidamast
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                              The C# "var" construct and other such constructs in both C# and VB.NET are merely short-cuts or the usage of system defaults. This makes for very ambiguous code over the length of an application's development. This is why I don't even use the generic list-type and still use array-lists instead. Despite the slight performance decreases (which most will not notice since such constructs often do not contain thousands of objects or items in general), having easy to read strongly typed code makes my applications much more easily maintainable.

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

                                What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                                var url = "http://someapi";

                                This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                                Rusty Bullet
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                                The last place I worked would fail you in code reviews if you did not use var. Their (ill) logic was something to do with a design pattern, and when Entity Framework would cough on var, they added lines of code to get it to pass instead of just using the correct type.

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                                • Z ZurdoDev

                                  What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                                  var url = "http://someapi";

                                  This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                                  Michael Waters
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                                  I (almost) only use var for non-production code, when I'm writing from whole cloth and doing initial diagnostics. As the code matures, I replace (almost) all instances of var with the actual types. Great way to force you to review and refactor before release. For very long types, I'll use var, but only when the type is already included in the same location, like a declaration and instantiation.

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                                  • Z ZurdoDev

                                    What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                                    var url = "http://someapi";

                                    This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                                    Davyd McColl
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                                    Apart from the obvious (it saves typing and you have a set maximum number of keystrokes you can make in your life), it also allows for alignment which makes things easier to read (we're better with vertical scanning than horizontal scanning - for more see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsHMHukIlJY and also there's just plain less to read!) but also because consuming code is more likely to survive a refactor intact: changing return type to something with similar shape means no consumer changes, renames of classes don't have to alter as many lines of code. Since it's syntactic sugar, it costs nothing at runtime and it's normally one of the first automated fixes I do in a file when I enter legacy code.

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                                    • Z ZurdoDev

                                      What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                                      var url = "http://someapi";

                                      This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                                      salz150
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                                      I've read that convention is to use "var" when the type of variable is apparent by reading the code. If you printed out this code it would still be pretty obvious that "url" is a string. If you can't tell the type by reading the code then the actual type should be used. It is lazy but if it eliminates some redundancy and makes coding a little quicker than it's a good thing. I personally follow the convention above but I know some people use var for everything.

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                                      • Z ZurdoDev

                                        What is the love affair with var? I see sample code where they do something like

                                        var url = "http://someapi";

                                        This feels lazy to me but I am open minded and am curious if I am missing something. Is there some benefit to declaring most things var instead of what they actually are? In the case above, a string.

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                                        User 2893688
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                                        Actually your example is quite interesting, as it isn't really a String but rather Uri. The correct way to declare it would have been

                                        using System;

                                        ...
                                        Uri url = new Uri("http://www.contoso.com/");

                                        WebRequest wr = WebRequest.Create(siteUri);

                                        But as you might have figured, you could have just used this instead

                                        var url = new Uri("http://www.contoso.com/");

                                        var wr = WebRequest.Create(siteUri);

                                        or just

                                        var url = "http:// www. contoso.com/";
                                        var request = WebRequest.Create (url);

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                                          Actually your example is quite interesting, as it isn't really a String but rather Uri. The correct way to declare it would have been

                                          using System;

                                          ...
                                          Uri url = new Uri("http://www.contoso.com/");

                                          WebRequest wr = WebRequest.Create(siteUri);

                                          But as you might have figured, you could have just used this instead

                                          var url = new Uri("http://www.contoso.com/");

                                          var wr = WebRequest.Create(siteUri);

                                          or just

                                          var url = "http:// www. contoso.com/";
                                          var request = WebRequest.Create (url);

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          Member 2896020 wrote:

                                          var url = "http:// www. contoso.com/"; var request = WebRequest.Create (url);

                                          Which is essentially what it was. But url is a string. I don't see the value in typing var instead of string.

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