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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    I don't even trust those. I buy a new computer and run the updates there ;p

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    Gary R Wheeler
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    I don't even use a computer, and I shoot salespeople on sight. What the :elephant: am I doing here anyway?

    Software Zen: delete this;

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      Don't update to the newest version if you haven't already. I've done so last week and it's buggy as hell X| It keeps removing my quick access items, especially the "Text Editor" (which has the comment and uncomment buttons) and the Crystal Reports software who shall not be named controls. I'm also getting constant "GenerateTypeCodeFixProvider encountered an error and has been disabled" error, which prevents me from automatically generating classes and other of those quick actions and refactorings. I've seen other errors as well, but I don't know what they were and they aren't as frequent, but annoying nonetheless. I've also had a complete VS crash once or twice. It really takes a bite out of my productivity and I'm looking forward to the next update because it pretty much can't get any worse than this. I updated because I hoped I'd get some .NET 5 and GitHub support, which the Visual Studio team is working on. I'm not even looking at those while VS is bugging me like this X| Apparently, I can't (easily) uninstall a Visual Studio update, or I certainly would've done so. Bad, bad Microsoft! :mad:

      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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      Rick York
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      I have had pretty good luck with VS updates in the past but this is the worst one I can remember. Every time I paste text it "formats" it and I can't find where to disable that. It just started doing that after the update and it really annoys me. Another thing - every time I click "find in files" it takes five minutes or so. I have no idea why and this is very annoying also. Curiously, I installed VS19 on two other machines and neither have these problems. They happen only on the one that was updated. I certainly hope a subsequent update repairs this nonsense.

      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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        I have had pretty good luck with VS updates in the past but this is the worst one I can remember. Every time I paste text it "formats" it and I can't find where to disable that. It just started doing that after the update and it really annoys me. Another thing - every time I click "find in files" it takes five minutes or so. I have no idea why and this is very annoying also. Curiously, I installed VS19 on two other machines and neither have these problems. They happen only on the one that was updated. I certainly hope a subsequent update repairs this nonsense.

        "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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        Sander Rossel
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        Rick York wrote:

        Every time I paste text it "formats" it and I can't find where to disable that

        It does that for me too, always has. Can you do ctrl + z and restore the original formatting? Always worked for me.

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          I don't even trust those. I run windows in a VM and I freeze/save state on it. :laugh:

          Real programmers use butterflies

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          Nelek
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          Imaging the partition with a backup software here

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Rick York wrote:

            Every time I paste text it "formats" it and I can't find where to disable that

            It does that for me too, always has. Can you do ctrl + z and restore the original formatting? Always worked for me.

            Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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            Rick York
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            Yes, that's what I have been doing but I don't have to do that on my other two machines. THAT is the really annoying thing.

            "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              Don't update to the newest version if you haven't already. I've done so last week and it's buggy as hell X| It keeps removing my quick access items, especially the "Text Editor" (which has the comment and uncomment buttons) and the Crystal Reports software who shall not be named controls. I'm also getting constant "GenerateTypeCodeFixProvider encountered an error and has been disabled" error, which prevents me from automatically generating classes and other of those quick actions and refactorings. I've seen other errors as well, but I don't know what they were and they aren't as frequent, but annoying nonetheless. I've also had a complete VS crash once or twice. It really takes a bite out of my productivity and I'm looking forward to the next update because it pretty much can't get any worse than this. I updated because I hoped I'd get some .NET 5 and GitHub support, which the Visual Studio team is working on. I'm not even looking at those while VS is bugging me like this X| Apparently, I can't (easily) uninstall a Visual Studio update, or I certainly would've done so. Bad, bad Microsoft! :mad:

              Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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              den2k88
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              Oh, ckuf it, I installed it yesterday. Perfect... You using C++ or .NET only?

              GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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              • H honey the codewitch

                I don't even trust those. I run windows in a VM and I freeze/save state on it. :laugh:

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                den2k88
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                AFAIK VS2019 license does not allow to be ran on virtualized systems.

                GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                  AFAIK VS2019 license does not allow to be ran on virtualized systems.

                  GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  They can either deal with it or lose a customer. Windows isn't stable enough to run outside a VM.

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  • D den2k88

                    Oh, ckuf it, I installed it yesterday. Perfect... You using C++ or .NET only?

                    GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    Just .NET and mostly C#. It seems not everyone has these issues though, so you may be in luck.

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      Just .NET and mostly C#. It seems not everyone has these issues though, so you may be in luck.

                      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                      Shao Voon Wong
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                      To be able to work on your projects today, I suggest you to download the Visual Studio VMs provided by Microsoft. They expire every 2 months whereby you have to download new VM again. [Download a Windows 10 virtual machine - Windows app development](https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/)

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                      • S Shao Voon Wong

                        To be able to work on your projects today, I suggest you to download the Visual Studio VMs provided by Microsoft. They expire every 2 months whereby you have to download new VM again. [Download a Windows 10 virtual machine - Windows app development](https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/)

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                        Sander Rossel
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                        20GB? No thanks... :omg: Besides, I've developed in VM's before and it's really annoying that I have to switch between my desktop/VM or VM/other VM every time I need some other tool X| It would take about a day every two months just to re-install my environment :wtf: Also, I don't have an Enterprise license :)

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          20GB? No thanks... :omg: Besides, I've developed in VM's before and it's really annoying that I have to switch between my desktop/VM or VM/other VM every time I need some other tool X| It would take about a day every two months just to re-install my environment :wtf: Also, I don't have an Enterprise license :)

                          Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                          Nelek
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                          Sander Rossel wrote:

                          20GB? No thanks...

                          It actually is pretty light depending on what it is inside. My own image without Visual Studio and other stuff is already over 15 Gb.

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          • D den2k88

                            AFAIK VS2019 license does not allow to be ran on virtualized systems.

                            GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                            markrlondon
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                            Do you have a reference to that? I can't see anything in the VS2019 licensing guide that prohibits it being run on VMs in general. The guide can be seen here: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Visual-Studio-Licensing-Whitepaper-Mar-2020.pdf[^] The only VM limitation for VS2019 I can find is this (which I find rather odd):

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                            Visual Studio subscriber software may no longer be run on dedicated hosted cloud services offered by the following public cloud providers as of October 1, 2019. Alibaba, Amazon (including VMware Cloud on AWS), and Google This change won't impact the use of existing software versions under licenses purchased before October 1, 2019, but will impact licenses purchased on or after October 1, 2019. Use on Azure (multi-tenant or dedicated hosts) continues to be permitted during the term of a Visual Studio subscription. For more information please refer to the following licensing news article: https://www.microsoft.com/enus/licensing/news/updated-licensing-rights-for-dedicated-cloud

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                              Do you have a reference to that? I can't see anything in the VS2019 licensing guide that prohibits it being run on VMs in general. The guide can be seen here: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Visual-Studio-Licensing-Whitepaper-Mar-2020.pdf[^] The only VM limitation for VS2019 I can find is this (which I find rather odd):

                              Quote:

                              Visual Studio subscriber software may no longer be run on dedicated hosted cloud services offered by the following public cloud providers as of October 1, 2019. Alibaba, Amazon (including VMware Cloud on AWS), and Google This change won't impact the use of existing software versions under licenses purchased before October 1, 2019, but will impact licenses purchased on or after October 1, 2019. Use on Azure (multi-tenant or dedicated hosts) continues to be permitted during the term of a Visual Studio subscription. For more information please refer to the following licensing news article: https://www.microsoft.com/enus/licensing/news/updated-licensing-rights-for-dedicated-cloud

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                              den2k88
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                              No reference, I read it "en passant" on Friday while downloading VS. Can't point to it... it was in the licensing section of VS site on MS though.

                              GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                              • N Nelek

                                Sander Rossel wrote:

                                20GB? No thanks...

                                It actually is pretty light depending on what it is inside. My own image without Visual Studio and other stuff is already over 15 Gb.

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                Sander Rossel
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                                Yeah, but would you want to download that every two months (and lose pretty much everything except Visual Studio)?

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  Yeah, but would you want to download that every two months (and lose pretty much everything except Visual Studio)?

                                  Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                  Nelek
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                                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                                  but would you want to download that every two months (and lose pretty much everything except Visual Studio)?

                                  Looking at the rate how they are screwing things up lately... I think that would be an improvement. At least you don't have to repair things ;) :laugh: Anyways... I continue saying than an image of the system partition is one of the best ways to go

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Don't update to the newest version if you haven't already. I've done so last week and it's buggy as hell X| It keeps removing my quick access items, especially the "Text Editor" (which has the comment and uncomment buttons) and the Crystal Reports software who shall not be named controls. I'm also getting constant "GenerateTypeCodeFixProvider encountered an error and has been disabled" error, which prevents me from automatically generating classes and other of those quick actions and refactorings. I've seen other errors as well, but I don't know what they were and they aren't as frequent, but annoying nonetheless. I've also had a complete VS crash once or twice. It really takes a bite out of my productivity and I'm looking forward to the next update because it pretty much can't get any worse than this. I updated because I hoped I'd get some .NET 5 and GitHub support, which the Visual Studio team is working on. I'm not even looking at those while VS is bugging me like this X| Apparently, I can't (easily) uninstall a Visual Studio update, or I certainly would've done so. Bad, bad Microsoft! :mad:

                                    Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                    Chris Maunder
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                                    Yeah, VS crashed on me yesterday. Not the freeze, crash, error reporting dialog crash, but the Total Existence Failure crash. Was typing and it just...disappeared. I can't remember seeing that for years and years.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      Don't update to the newest version if you haven't already. I've done so last week and it's buggy as hell X| It keeps removing my quick access items, especially the "Text Editor" (which has the comment and uncomment buttons) and the Crystal Reports software who shall not be named controls. I'm also getting constant "GenerateTypeCodeFixProvider encountered an error and has been disabled" error, which prevents me from automatically generating classes and other of those quick actions and refactorings. I've seen other errors as well, but I don't know what they were and they aren't as frequent, but annoying nonetheless. I've also had a complete VS crash once or twice. It really takes a bite out of my productivity and I'm looking forward to the next update because it pretty much can't get any worse than this. I updated because I hoped I'd get some .NET 5 and GitHub support, which the Visual Studio team is working on. I'm not even looking at those while VS is bugging me like this X| Apparently, I can't (easily) uninstall a Visual Studio update, or I certainly would've done so. Bad, bad Microsoft! :mad:

                                      Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript

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                                      Vaso Elias
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                                      I had no issues. I waited around 48 hours after 16.8.0 was released. Now on 16.8.2. I only once had to reinstall my PC in the last 17 years because of Visual Studio (stopped working). Well, because of me, I uninstall something what messed up Visual Studio. And that didn't bother me too much as I like to reinstall my PC every couple of years anyway.. :)

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                                        I don't even use a computer, and I shoot salespeople on sight. What the :elephant: am I doing here anyway?

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        David ONeil
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                                        [Secondhand Lions (2003) The Salesmen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvf52j3-DDY)

                                        “If we get $100,000, we will go to Potato blockchain.” Enable the dream!

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          Yeah, VS crashed on me yesterday. Not the freeze, crash, error reporting dialog crash, but the Total Existence Failure crash. Was typing and it just...disappeared. I can't remember seeing that for years and years.

                                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          I still get that from time to time. Not a whole lot, but maybe once or twice a year. Not sure if that's (only) in Visual Studio though, but I think so because that's where I spend most of my time.

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